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by Malcolm
Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:32 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

一切實非實 亦實亦非實 All is real, all is unreal, all is both real and unreal 非實非非實 是名諸佛法 All is neither real nor unreal, this is called all Buddhas' dharma (T1564.23c16 Āryanāgārjunasya Mūlamadhyamakakārikāyām Ātmaparīkṣā) Ven Zhiyi probably read this positive tetralemma from Ven Nāgārjuna. That is not a te...
by Malcolm
Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:08 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

The point of the tetralemma is not to make assertions. All you done here is now make four equally faulty identity propositions "a rock is a; is not a; is both a and not a; and is neither a nor not a." This is just not how the tetralemma is used in Buddhist texts by anyone. The tetralemma, used prop...
by Malcolm
Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:55 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Pot, meet kettle. Snark isn't going to help you out here. It just makes you look immature. With all due respect, I was just going to post almost the same thing he posted ("pot calling the kettle black") but he beat me to it. What could explain that two unconnected people thought of the same thing a...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:44 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Queequeg wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:27 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:11 pm
Nope, your patronizing attitude was clear from the start.
Pot, meet kettle.
Snark isn't going to help you out here. It just makes you look immature.
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:43 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Notwithstanding, the reference to the quote does address the issue of "rock is suchness"/"ultimate is relative". If you think that passage is about samatha and vipasyana, you're missing the full import. Again, that passage is a conclusion of a significantly more involved argument. At this point, sa...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:11 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Sherab wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:03 pm
Was my English that bad?
Nope, your patronizing attitude was clear from the start.
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:42 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

"Whatever is made to be the object [of contemplation], it is the Middle; there is nothing that is not truly real [ultimate]." -Mohezhikuan By the way, there is no middle, asserting a middle is a mistaken conclusion. LOL. Really, you don't know what you are talking about at this point when it comes ...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:40 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

No, my questions are very relevant because answering them will force you to confront the internal inconsistency or incoherence in your arguments. You go ahead and answer them yourself. That is simply too uncomfortable for you I suspect. Answering your questions, in general, is a waste of time. The ...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:38 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

When one take ultimate reality as one's contemplation, of course there is nothing that is not ultimate in that contemplation. That contemplation itself is focused upon the ultimate. Such sentiments as this are simply not controversial at all in Indian Buddhism, etc. LOL. You're the one arguing with...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:44 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

"Whatever is made to be the object [of contemplation], it is the Middle; there is nothing that is not truly real [ultimate]."
-Mohezhikuan
By the way, there is no middle, asserting a middle is a mistaken conclusion.
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:41 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

A rock or a stone, or whatever you want to call a mineral composite does not have buddhanature because it is not the function of a rock to attain buddhahood since a rock has no mind and is not sentient. A sentient being has a mind, and so is capable of the function of attaining buddhahood, not beca...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:38 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

And as I pointed out, prior to you making your identity proposition, it is conventionally acceptable to do so. But it is not conventionally acceptable to assert the identity proposition "A rock is suchness." It's like saying, "the relative is ultimate." This may be a point of impasse. "Whatever is ...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:03 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Sigh. This is what I've been saying all along. You can invoke convention, but no one else can. Got it. An example of a convention is something which is functional in the world. Arguments which do not stand up to convention are false arguments. Claiming that a rock has buddhanature violates conventi...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:56 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Your statement suffers from the problem of not distinguishing dharmin and dharmatā. While one cannot claim that dharmin and dharmatā, in this case a rock and its suchness, are absolutely different, neither can one claim they are identical. And your statement suffered from distinguishing them. And a...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:42 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

In the realm of convention Sigh. This is what I've been saying all along. You can invoke convention, but no one else can. Got it. An example of a convention is something which is functional in the world. Arguments which do not stand up to convention are false arguments. Claiming that a rock has bud...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:36 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Here, we're talking about two broad and deep Buddhist traditions that broke off and evolved separately in response to the needs of different groups of people who speak different languages and have different cultures. Insisting a word can have only have one meaning in this context evinces a lack of ...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:31 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

What is the difference between an emanation and its source? The sun and its rays. The rays depend on the sun, the sun does not depend on its rays. This posits a source distinct from its manifestations. That's intellectually awkward. In the realm of convention, there is nothing awkward about it at a...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:39 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Here, we're talking about two broad and deep Buddhist traditions that broke off and evolved separately in response to the needs of different groups of people who speak different languages and have different cultures. Insisting a word can have only have one meaning in this context evinces a lack of ...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:34 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 135
Views: 2128

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Queequeg wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:18 pm
Tsongkhapafan wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:59 pm
Rocks can be emanations of Buddha but rocks do not possess Buddha nature because they do not possess minds, thus they cannot be enlightened.
What is the difference between an emanation and its source?
The sun and its rays. The rays depend on the sun, the sun does not depend on its rays.
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:03 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 38
Views: 674

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

Then of course there is this from Wonchu'ks commentary on the Heart Sutra: In other words, when Wonchuk wrote this, there were already two translations of the Heart Sūtra in circulation, an "old" one, and one revised on the basis of a Sanskrit original by Hsuan Tsang. This fact is mentioned by Wonc...

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