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by Malcolm
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:09 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Who, for example, recognised ChNN and his pure visions/terma? He was recognized by his uncle, first, then later by the 16th Karmapa. But in terms of his terma, as far as I know it hasn't been validated but some terma validating authority. But I know some Tibetan Lamas who are very enthusiastic abou...
by Malcolm
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:09 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Who, for example, recognised ChNN and his pure visions/terma? He was recognized by his uncle, first, then later by the 16th Karmapa. But in terms of his terma, as far as I know it hasn't been validated but some terma validating authority. But I know some Tibetan Lamas who are very enthusiastic abou...
by Malcolm
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:04 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Oh, so now LOTR is a terton? I thought this was just a pure vision. Who validated this terma? Hypocrisy, not inconsistency. The point, Greg, is that you demand proof of validation for Aro ter, but not for your own teacher's termas. That seems contradictory to me. I still find the idea of Kalima as ...
by Malcolm
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:01 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Who, for example, recognised ChNN and his pure visions/terma? He was recognized by his uncle, first, then later by the 16th Karmapa. But in terms of his terma, as far as I know it hasn't been validated but some terma validating authority. But I know some Tibetan Lamas who are very enthusiastic abou...
by Malcolm
Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:57 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

I think many are surprised to see Malcolm take position #2 given the strong views he has espoused elsewhere as to the invalidity of certain practices, not least in one long discussion he had with you on this topic. Maybe you can see an error of reasoning in his argument here; I can’t. You mean like...
by Malcolm
Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:03 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Now if I were trying to attack Aro gTer, to demean them, to slander them personally, to cast aspersions on the character of their teachers, etc... I could understand why somebody would come tho their defence. But I am not doing that. I am putting forward commonly accepted (in a Vajrayana context) c...
by Malcolm
Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:21 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

methar wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:29 am


So you really don't care if Ngak'chang Rinpoche has NOT BEEN RECOGNIZED BY ANYONE BUT HIMSELF?
Why should I?
Malcolm do you really not care that the Aro gTer Nyigma Lineage is just made up by this SELF RECOGNIZED man?
Nope, not a bit. I used to care, but then I realized that was a mistake.
by Malcolm
Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:14 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Aroter is not an "existential threat" it is a REAL THREAT to the real teachings of the Dharma. Only in the minds of children who still imagine there are monsters under their beds. Really Malcolm, thats all you got.??? :shrug: Don't want to discuss a SELF RECOGNIZED TULKU AND HIS SELF RECOGNIZED LIN...
by Malcolm
Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:06 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

PeterC wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:27 am
dzogchungpa wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:17 am

Dude, you are, like, totally planting the seeds for fundamentalism in your own mind.
But isn’t fundamentalism totally valid, too?
Sure, but I am not going to hang out with you if you go that route.
by Malcolm
Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:05 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

I’m struggling a bit with the extreme relativist position here. Not because of its logical consistency or inconsistency - more because of its practical implications. If you take it purely at face value then you would conclude that, say, Kim Katami might be on the 8th bhumi, Dominic Geshe Rinpoche m...
by Malcolm
Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:18 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

methar wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:29 am

Aroter is not an "existential threat" it is a REAL THREAT to the real teachings of the Dharma.
Only in the minds of children who still imagine there are monsters under their beds.
by Malcolm
Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:55 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: USA CLOSED FOR BUSINESS
Replies: 22
Views: 301

Re: USA CLOSED FOR BUSINESS

Ricky wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:24 am
amanitamusc wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:58 am
This is a nice distraction from trumps many problems coming to fruition.
Don't know about that... US economy is booming. Unemployment is at its lowest since 1973.
Thanks to Obama...
by Malcolm
Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:16 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Kindly pardon me if I'm not correct in this, but it does seem you are not fully familiar with what an appeal to authority is. As Malcolm just noted if you both accept the authority then there is no logical fallacy in appealing to it. Further, the appeal to authority fallacy is actually about an app...
by Malcolm
Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:04 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: USA CLOSED FOR BUSINESS
Replies: 22
Views: 301

Re: USA CLOSED FOR BUSINESS

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am
Malcolm wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:59 pm


But a government shutdown is always quite temporary, and is mostly a form of political theater.
Yep. this...reality TV.
Now, if they shutdown the newspapers, I would start to be seriously worried and probably start packing my bags and cashing out my account. But a Government shutdown? Meh.
by Malcolm
Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:59 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: USA CLOSED FOR BUSINESS
Replies: 22
Views: 301

Re: USA CLOSED FOR BUSINESS

I understand from our UK media that the USA currently has no Government. Ahem...that is not exactly true. The Government has not authorized spending, and some people will get furloughs if the "shutdown" goes on beyond this weekend. But a government shutdown is always quite temporary, and is mostly ...
by Malcolm
Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:44 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

And as Maitreyanatha explains in the Uttaratantra , the Dharma, and the Sangha are all impermanent, and therefore, they are not ultimate refuges. Only the Buddha is an ultimate refuge: Because of abandonment, because of possessing deceptive phenomena, because of nonexistence, and because of perisha...
by Malcolm
Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:40 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

And as Maitreyanatha explains in the Uttaratantra , the Dharma, and the Sangha are all impermanent, and therefore, they are not ultimate refuges. Only the Buddha is an ultimate refuge: Because of abandonment, because of possessing deceptive phenomena, because of nonexistence, and because of perisha...
by Malcolm
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:55 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

No, Dharma is simply another fabrication. The difference though between it and most everything else is that it is not an untrue fabrication. No. The conceptualisation of Dharma by the mind is a fabrication, Dharma is unconditioned. Otherwise it would not be a valid object of Refuge. And as Maitreya...
by Malcolm
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:43 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 198
Views: 3473

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Well, if this thread has taught me one thing, it is the danger of denying the validity of relative truth. How quickly and easily denying it's validity leads to ego-centered nihilism. So you think you can prove the conventional validity of one lineage over another when they both use identical words?...
by Malcolm
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:11 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: The regenerative potential of primordial state
Replies: 20
Views: 461

Re: The regenerative potential of primordial state

3. And the Blessed One said: "Whosoever, Ananda, has developed, practiced, employed, strengthened, maintained, scrutinized, and brought to perfection the four constituents of psychic power could, if he so desired, remain throughout a world-period or until the end of it. [21] The Tathagata, Ananda, ...