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by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:03 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1741

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Sigh. This is what I've been saying all along. You can invoke convention, but no one else can. Got it. An example of a convention is something which is functional in the world. Arguments which do not stand up to convention are false arguments. Claiming that a rock has buddhanature violates conventi...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:56 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1741

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Your statement suffers from the problem of not distinguishing dharmin and dharmatā. While one cannot claim that dharmin and dharmatā, in this case a rock and its suchness, are absolutely different, neither can one claim they are identical. And your statement suffered from distinguishing them. And a...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:42 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1741

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

In the realm of convention Sigh. This is what I've been saying all along. You can invoke convention, but no one else can. Got it. An example of a convention is something which is functional in the world. Arguments which do not stand up to convention are false arguments. Claiming that a rock has bud...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:36 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1741

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Here, we're talking about two broad and deep Buddhist traditions that broke off and evolved separately in response to the needs of different groups of people who speak different languages and have different cultures. Insisting a word can have only have one meaning in this context evinces a lack of ...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:31 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1741

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

What is the difference between an emanation and its source? The sun and its rays. The rays depend on the sun, the sun does not depend on its rays. This posits a source distinct from its manifestations. That's intellectually awkward. In the realm of convention, there is nothing awkward about it at a...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:39 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1741

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Here, we're talking about two broad and deep Buddhist traditions that broke off and evolved separately in response to the needs of different groups of people who speak different languages and have different cultures. Insisting a word can have only have one meaning in this context evinces a lack of ...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:34 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1741

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Queequeg wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:18 pm
Tsongkhapafan wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:59 pm
Rocks can be emanations of Buddha but rocks do not possess Buddha nature because they do not possess minds, thus they cannot be enlightened.
What is the difference between an emanation and its source?
The sun and its rays. The rays depend on the sun, the sun does not depend on its rays.
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:03 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 38
Views: 628

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

Then of course there is this from Wonchu'ks commentary on the Heart Sutra: In other words, when Wonchuk wrote this, there were already two translations of the Heart Sūtra in circulation, an "old" one, and one revised on the basis of a Sanskrit original by Hsuan Tsang. This fact is mentioned by Wonc...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:34 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1741

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

in general, tathāgatagarbha is identified as the dharmakāya encased in afflictions. This is not novel at all. I think the italics shines throughout the world was being interpreted as the dharmakāya encased in "the world/loka", as in an insentient dharmakāya, or at least one shining through insentie...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:18 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1741

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Your questions are irrelevant because they do not address the distinction between a sentient being (sattva) and and insensible thing (acetana). The questions are relevant if sunyata is the same as dependent arising. Why? Because dependent arising is the reason why there is the phenomena of sentient...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:26 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 38
Views: 628

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

MiphamFan wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:36 pm
He's been spinning bullshit for years and hasn't even learned Chinese. What I can see from the citations above basically seems like he is looking up dictionary definitions and arbitrarily picking them to suit his needs.
Yup.
by Malcolm
Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:42 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 38
Views: 628

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

Then of course there is this from Wonchu'ks commentary on the Heart Sutra: As for the “Kuan-zizai Bodhisattva”, the first part of [the sūtra], [that is, from “Kuan-zizai Bodhisattva … .” to “crosses over all sufferings and calamities”] may be subdivided in two [ways]: first, by indicating the person...
by Malcolm
Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:47 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1741

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Coëmgenu wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:42 pm
There is another precedent for the Buddhahood of Insentien[ce], but instead of coming from India, it comes from Theravāda modernism:
Lot of Theravadin materialists out there these days, thanks to Buddhadasa.
by Malcolm
Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:06 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and Zen on enlightenment and post-enlightenment
Replies: 58
Views: 1775

Re: Dzogchen and Zen on enlightenment and post-enlightenment

There are lots of dzogchenpa's that hold the following view: When the mind is deluded, that is cyclic existence. If the mind is undeluded, that is called enlightenment. Unfortunately this is completely incorrect . Such a view is not incorrect. The fact that phenomena are already liberated does not ...
by Malcolm
Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:03 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 38
Views: 628

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

The canon also repeatedly tells us: its all stories, all upaya. Well, yes, but that doesn't mean we don't care where teachings come from, or that we have no criteria for deciding whether something is or isn't the dharma. Jayarava's goals are not without merit. However his focus on this sutra is som...
by Malcolm
Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:00 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1741

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

The Awakening of Faith in the Mahayana has the following passage, which I believe is very relevant to this discussion: In its very origin suchness is of itself endowed with sublime attributes. It manifests the highest wisdom which shines throughout the world , it has true knowledge and a mind resti...
by Malcolm
Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:58 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1741

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

... six causes and four conditions is fundamental Buddhism, ...they are merely conventions. Like I said... "in a way" A thought is a concept. [Etc.] Let me stop you there. That's not 一念 And this post is a nonresponse— clearly you are not up to giving an adequate response to objections.
by Malcolm
Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:13 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and Zen on enlightenment and post-enlightenment
Replies: 58
Views: 1775

Re: Dzogchen and Zen on enlightenment and post-enlightenment

The qualities of a master upon whom to rely... He must be expert in meditation and practice, know how to explain the four branches of approach and accomplishment, and have produced skills in repelling disturbances with mantras of exhortation, curses, and slaying. -Buddhahood in This Life Yes. A Dzo...
by Malcolm
Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:59 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and Zen on enlightenment and post-enlightenment
Replies: 58
Views: 1775

Re: Dzogchen and Zen on enlightenment and post-enlightenment

Crazywisdom wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:25 pm
So... buddha’s Four actions? How does primordially liberated “yogi” do?

Activities are effortless
due to the natural perfection of awakening,


-- Kun byed rgyal po.
by Malcolm
Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:20 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1741

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

If by suchness, you meant dependent arising, then your statement above implies that both inanimate things and sentient beings are dependently arisen. No problem here. By suchness, I mean emptiness, śūnyatā. The rest of your questions are irrelevant. My questions are irrelevant because sunyata is no...

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