Dharma Wheel

Hi all! So, if all appearances are rtsal manifestations of the basis of each individual, then is it the case that the rtsal manifestations are shared “vision” among samsaric sentient beings? Also, if all appearances are the energy of the basis of each individual, then how are appearances shared by ...

I am reluctant to give this thread with it's loaded agenda any more oxygen, but it may be worth pointing out vis-a-vis Knotty Veneer's good post that the majority of CTR's American circle would probably have no first hand knowledge of Akong Rinpoche at all. Most of them never visited Samye-Ling and...

I struggle to see any difference between shentong and a Madhyamaka-Yogacara synthesis. If I recall correctly, Brunnholzl makes the argument that what is called shentong is simply that. In any case, gzhan stong as a view in itself is at odds with Dzogchen... however describing Dzogchen as a Madhyama...

Mine or smcj’s? smcj's...his claim that Dudjom R subordinates Dzogchen to sutrayāna madhyamaka of any kind. I do not claim that he “subordinates” Dzogchen at all. I claim he uses Great Madhyamaka/Shentong to declare the superiority of Dzogchen. There is no need to do this. This is like saying a lio...

Is the “third turning” gzhan stong or just Yogācāra? Seems only Yogācāra is being referenced in the excerpt despite the assertion that his use of “third turning” is supposed to be a reference to gzhan song 3rd Turning can be interpreted as Mind Only or Empty of Other. It can also be understood as r...

krodha wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:35 pm

Malcolm wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:25 pm

Nine of these passages support your claim.

Mine or smcj’s?

smcj's...his claim that Dudjom R subordinates Dzogchen to sutrayāna madhyamaka of any kind.

Nine of these passages support your claim. Page 300 of "The Big Red Book" in the chapter titled "Superiority of Atiyoga". Remember, he is not discussing sutra here. He is discussing Dzogchen and why it is superior to the lower 8 yanas. Also worthy of note is the fact that he says that Nagarjuna/2nd ...

If by "all of this" you mean Hays' statement re Akong R my view is that I don't know what actually happened. My point in making this thread is to stimulate discussion concerning Hays' statement, possibly turning up relevant information. The bar for these claims to be credible is extraordinarily hig...

smcj wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:15 am

You guys do know that beatings were common in pre-PRC monasteries, right?

As well as pre 1959 elemtary schools in the USA...

I cannot tell anything about whom I don’t know, (Dezhung Ajam). If I remember Lamdre correctly, there are purifications of past, present and future life and intermediate stage in development stage, and one actually understands real lamdre view in completion stage. In dzogchen, if the student has au...

Agree! Actually, I have a doubt on this statement: "The basis of purification of Dzogchen is pristine consciousness." If something that is pure and perfect from very beginning, what is there one purifies? You can doubt the statement, but it is a statement made by the great Lamdre exegete Dezhung Aj...

Dzogchen masters do not privilege sūtra views over Vajrayāna views -- this is a point you seem to have never understood. In his "Big Red Book" Dudjom R. explains that Dzogchen is superior specifically because it has the Great Madhyamaka/Shentong view. We have had that discussion before. I have quot...

I honestly finda that hard to believe. This is bit too much. But still shows how f-ing messy the whole situation is. Kinda reminded me of a passage where Dianna says Akong R. bullied her and CTR when they still were in Samye-ling. But still really? This is a horrible mess. I knew Akong Rinpoche for...

Dudjom R. have a Shentong/Great Madhyamaka view. When it comes to sūtra, yes. Not when it comes to Dzogchen. Jigme Lingpa follows Tsongkhapa when it comes to sūtra, but not when it comes to Dzogchen. Dzogchen masters do not privilege sūtra views over Vajrayāna views -- this is a point you seem to h...

Actually, the assertion that there is no basis is precisely the meaning of Dzogchen, Mahāmudra, and Prajñāpāramitā. With Prajnaparamita yes. With Mahamudra and Dzogchen it depends on who you talk to. In "Myriad Worlds" Kongtrul writes: What is the fundamental nature of the original primordial groun...

Pema Rigdzin wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:15 pm

Malcolm,

Usually we speak of the Sutrayana paths as as the causal vehicles, and the mantrayana paths as the resultant vehicles; but does Dzogchen consider Anuyoga and Mahayoga "resultant"?

Yes.

:buddha1: p There is no primordial state. Hi Malcolm, unless you are referring to emptiness, then I don't understand what you mean. Throughout The Supreme Source by Chogyal Namkhai Norbu the Base is continually referred to as "the primordial state" (for example, on page 85). Would you mind clarifyi...

If one knows the Dzochen before receiving Love amdre, those instructions of the lamdre at the time of empowerment would be very profound.It is my personal opinion. Certainly, what they emphasize to purify is different. There is no doubt that Lamdre and Dzogchen are compatible, but one has to unders...

I decided to look through the comment thread on Hays' cat story FB post, and there are many interesting comments but this one especially caught my eye: Then Sakyong Mipham rinpoche (smr or the Sawang as he was known then) was kidnapped by Akong Tulku, and he was tortured- locked in a closet & he sh...

One cannot practice Lamdre from a Dzogchen point of view. Why? The basis of purification is different. The basis of purification of Lamdre is the five aggregates. The basis of purification of Dzogchen is pristine consciousness. If one knows the Dzochen before receiving Lamdre, those instructions of...