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by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:21 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

So what? It’s just short hand. It’s short hand for free from the two limitations of I & Others. Those Mahasiddhas were not your lamas. So you’re just trusting your own ideas. You should be careful about wielding a double edged sword -- Tilopa was not your guru either, thus the fault you attribute t...
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:21 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

Here’s the complete commentary “What is Mahamudra and what is the precept of Mahamudra? Mahamudra is the 489 nature of mind. Mahamudra’s quality is like space with no center, no direction and 490 no boundary. Recognizing this reality is the precept. If you fall into dualistic 491 concepts, you are ...
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:16 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

So what? That’s how the Drikung Kagyu/ Taklung Kagyu transmits it. Kotalipa says: Nonduality is a merely a name, And: Buddhahood is named “nondual” because of the application of words of the demonstration; [178/a] because of the way the ultimate is undifferentiated, there is no Buddhahood and no no...
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:12 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

I did? I don’t think so. In any case, just accept that Mahamudra dohas also reject nonduality. They say so in more than one place. So what? That’s how the Drikung Kagyu/ Taklung Kagyu transmits it. Kotalipa says: Nonduality is a merely a name, And: Buddhahood is named “nondual” because of the appli...
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:05 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

Crazywisdom wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:03 am
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:02 am
Crazywisdom wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:01 am


So who said I claimed Buddhahood?
As I said you did. Reread your own posts.
I did? I don’t think so.
In any case, just accept that Mahamudra dohas also reject nonduality.
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:02 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

Crazywisdom wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:01 am
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:00 am
Crazywisdom wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:59 am


No.
Yes, not directly, but in many, many posts you can't even remember making.
So who said I claimed Buddhahood?
As I said you did. Reread your own posts.
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:00 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

Crazywisdom wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:59 am
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:59 am
Crazywisdom wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:57 am


Oh that’s funny. Do share. Who told you that? So
Now you’re going for impeachment. Nice try.
You did.
No.
Yes, not directly, but in many, many posts you can't even remember making. Perhaps you are in a more sober mood these days.
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:59 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about your MO. That thing you do. Shifting the goal posts. Referring back to your own corpus, Rather than blessings of the lineage and no attachment to anything. Kagyu use no duality as shorthand for Mahamudra. Also no attachment. They won’t let you assign an...
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:56 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about your MO. That thing you do. Shifting the goal posts. Referring back to your own corpus, Rather than blessings of the lineage and no attachment to anything. Kagyu use no duality as shorthand for Mahamudra. Also no attachment. They won’t let you assign an...
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:42 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

Can’t be. They always flip it on ya. It can be a tenet, which is one of the reasons nonduality is a position rejecting in Dzogchen teachings. We are not talking about Dzogchen teachings. It also occurs in Mahāmudra dohas. For example, The Caryagitivritti has the passage: Those who demonstrate yoga ...
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:33 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

Nonduality is the real precept. Adherence to tenet systems is dualistic. That turns nonduality into tenet. Anyway, this is all hugely besides the point. Can’t be. They always flip it on ya. It can be a tenet, which is one of the reasons nonduality is a position rejected in Dzogchen teachings.
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:02 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

Crazywisdom wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:45 am
yan kong wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:35 am
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:43 pm


Yes, and that is far different than your takeaway.
Crazy wisdom might not care for elaboration on this point but I'd like some.
Nonduality is the real precept. Adherence to tenet systems is dualistic.
That turns nonduality into tenet.

Anyway, this is all hugely besides the point.
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:41 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

“The followers of Tantra, Paramita, Vinaya, Sutra, and Pitaka, 487 Scriptures or any precepts whatsoever, 488 Will not see the luminous Mahamudra.” Don’t tell me it’s translated wrong or the Sakya know better. Yes, and that is far different than your takeaway. Crazy wisdom might not care for elabor...
by Malcolm
Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:43 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

Look. Tilopa said adherents to sutra tantra pitaka are all stupid. It goes like that. You all just can’t handle it. No, he never said such a thing. “The followers of Tantra, Paramita, Vinaya, Sutra, and Pitaka, 487 Scriptures or any precepts whatsoever, 488 Will not see the luminous Mahamudra.” Don...
by Malcolm
Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:09 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche
Replies: 10
Views: 364

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

In Tibet they don't seem to have a problem to have several Padmasambhavas around. Why would they? It's a perfectly orthodox opinion to hold. You know, for any odd reason in Tibet tulkus are or were born in rich and influential families with much higher probability than in poor and not so influentia...
by Malcolm
Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:08 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

Crazywisdom wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:24 pm
Look. Tilopa said adherents to sutra tantra pitaka are all stupid. It goes like that. You all just can’t handle it.
No, he never said such a thing.
by Malcolm
Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:05 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche
Replies: 10
Views: 364

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Motova wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:19 am
Apparently so is Sogyal Lakar. :shrug:
Recognized by his mother, but not really enthroned, or recognized by anyone else as such.
by Malcolm
Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:23 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

Virgo wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:16 pm
heart wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:41 pm
I also want to say that I really disagree with the title of this thread, I would never post in such a thread.
Magnus, you just did.

Kevin...
He is referring to the fact that while I was writing my post, the other thread was locked.
by Malcolm
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:31 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo & Lama Tsultrim Allione: Shambhala's Sakyong Mipham
Replies: 244
Views: 7926

Re: Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo & Lama Tsultrim Allione: Shambhala's Sakyong Mipham

Do what to remedy? Lets start by not pretending that everything advanced in the name of Vajrayāna actually corresponds with Vajrayāna Dharma on any level. Lets also stop pretending, in the name of "samaya," that bestowing empowerments is a free pass to abuse students, sexually, financially, and emo...
by Malcolm
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:30 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 115
Views: 1969

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

I think we have to accept that these stories are a part of our Vajrayana heritage, all lineages included, and that they do have point. The point is generally lost on people who might come to Vajrayāna teachings, but lose faith in the Vajrayāna before they have even begun. Vajrayāna, after all, is p...

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