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by Malcolm
Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:12 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 729
Views: 58456

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

According to ChNN, sems sde must be practiced in conjunction with regular creation and completion stage, that is the point I am making. Sems de, unlike man ngag sde, is not an independent system of practice. Why is that so that it has to be paired with creation and completion stage? One cannot atta...
by Malcolm
Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:54 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 729
Views: 58456

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

Yes, that is a good point. But Longchenpa doesn't really put it like that, he just insist that they are necessary preliminaries, /magnus This set of books is about sems sde, and was also written before he met Kumaraja. If you say so, but I don't see how that matters actually. Sems sde is also Dzogc...
by Malcolm
Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:52 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 65
Views: 1671

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

I wasn't able to find the analysis in prior posts. Is there a link? Are you all suggesting that the Dzogchen taught by Kagyu masters (i.e Thrangu, Mingyur, Tsoknyi, Dzogchen Ponlop etc. Rinpoches) is compromised somehow by a Shentong stance? The heart of Dzogchen as far as I understand is not a con...
by Malcolm
Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:35 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 65
Views: 1671

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

I have really come around to the Shentong presentation via the Kagyu presentation. If you’re really interested, Brunnhölzl’s “When Clouds Part” is an excellent read on the subject. He has a whole section with summaries of how various Karma Kagyu masters have interpreted Shentong over the centuries....
by Malcolm
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:25 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: rtsal, shared samsaric vision, “other” sentient beings
Replies: 9
Views: 450

Re: rtsal, shared samsaric vision, “other” sentient beings

Hi all! So, if all appearances are rtsal manifestations of the basis of each individual, then is it the case that the rtsal manifestations are shared “vision” among samsaric sentient beings? Also, if all appearances are the energy of the basis of each individual, then how are appearances shared by ...
by Malcolm
Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:35 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR
Replies: 53
Views: 2151

Re: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR

I am reluctant to give this thread with it's loaded agenda any more oxygen, but it may be worth pointing out vis-a-vis Knotty Veneer's good post that the majority of CTR's American circle would probably have no first hand knowledge of Akong Rinpoche at all. Most of them never visited Samye-Ling and...
by Malcolm
Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:31 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 65
Views: 1671

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

I struggle to see any difference between shentong and a Madhyamaka-Yogacara synthesis. If I recall correctly, Brunnholzl makes the argument that what is called shentong is simply that. In any case, gzhan stong as a view in itself is at odds with Dzogchen... however describing Dzogchen as a Madhyama...
by Malcolm
Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:27 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 65
Views: 1671

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

Mine or smcj’s? smcj's...his claim that Dudjom R subordinates Dzogchen to sutrayāna madhyamaka of any kind. I do not claim that he “subordinates” Dzogchen at all. I claim he uses Great Madhyamaka/Shentong to declare the superiority of Dzogchen. There is no need to do this. This is like saying a lio...
by Malcolm
Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:54 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 65
Views: 1671

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

Is the “third turning” gzhan stong or just Yogācāra? Seems only Yogācāra is being referenced in the excerpt despite the assertion that his use of “third turning” is supposed to be a reference to gzhan song 3rd Turning can be interpreted as Mind Only or Empty of Other. It can also be understood as r...
by Malcolm
Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:52 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 65
Views: 1671

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

krodha wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:35 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:25 pm
Nine of these passages support your claim.
Mine or smcj’s?
smcj's...his claim that Dudjom R subordinates Dzogchen to sutrayāna madhyamaka of any kind.
by Malcolm
Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:25 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 65
Views: 1671

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

Nine of these passages support your claim. Page 300 of "The Big Red Book" in the chapter titled "Superiority of Atiyoga". Remember, he is not discussing sutra here. He is discussing Dzogchen and why it is superior to the lower 8 yanas. Also worthy of note is the fact that he says that Nagarjuna/2nd ...
by Malcolm
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:23 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR
Replies: 53
Views: 2151

Re: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR

If by "all of this" you mean Hays' statement re Akong R my view is that I don't know what actually happened. My point in making this thread is to stimulate discussion concerning Hays' statement, possibly turning up relevant information. The bar for these claims to be credible is extraordinarily hig...
by Malcolm
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:30 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR
Replies: 53
Views: 2151

Re: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR

smcj wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:15 am
You guys do know that beatings were common in pre-PRC monasteries, right?
As well as pre 1959 elemtary schools in the USA...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:46 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Mahamudra and Dzogchen
Replies: 63
Views: 2187

Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen

I cannot tell anything about whom I don’t know, (Dezhung Ajam). If I remember Lamdre correctly, there are purifications of past, present and future life and intermediate stage in development stage, and one actually understands real lamdre view in completion stage. In dzogchen, if the student has au...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:23 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Mahamudra and Dzogchen
Replies: 63
Views: 2187

Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen

Agree! Actually, I have a doubt on this statement: "The basis of purification of Dzogchen is pristine consciousness." If something that is pure and perfect from very beginning, what is there one purifies? You can doubt the statement, but it is a statement made by the great Lamdre exegete Dezhung Aj...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:33 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 65
Views: 1671

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

Dzogchen masters do not privilege sūtra views over Vajrayāna views -- this is a point you seem to have never understood. In his "Big Red Book" Dudjom R. explains that Dzogchen is superior specifically because it has the Great Madhyamaka/Shentong view. We have had that discussion before. I have quot...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:27 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR
Replies: 53
Views: 2151

Re: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR

I honestly finda that hard to believe. This is bit too much. But still shows how f-ing messy the whole situation is. Kinda reminded me of a passage where Dianna says Akong R. bullied her and CTR when they still were in Samye-ling. But still really? This is a horrible mess. I knew Akong Rinpoche for...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:23 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 65
Views: 1671

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

Dudjom R. have a Shentong/Great Madhyamaka view. When it comes to sūtra, yes. Not when it comes to Dzogchen. Jigme Lingpa follows Tsongkhapa when it comes to sūtra, but not when it comes to Dzogchen. Dzogchen masters do not privilege sūtra views over Vajrayāna views -- this is a point you seem to h...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:20 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 65
Views: 1671

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

Actually, the assertion that there is no basis is precisely the meaning of Dzogchen, Mahāmudra, and Prajñāpāramitā. With Prajnaparamita yes. With Mahamudra and Dzogchen it depends on who you talk to. In "Myriad Worlds" Kongtrul writes: What is the fundamental nature of the original primordial groun...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:16 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 65
Views: 1671

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:15 pm
Malcolm,

Usually we speak of the Sutrayana paths as as the causal vehicles, and the mantrayana paths as the resultant vehicles; but does Dzogchen consider Anuyoga and Mahayoga "resultant"?
Yes.

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