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by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:50 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo & Lama Tsultrim Allione: Shambhala's Sakyong Mipham
Replies: 247
Views: 8308

Re: Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo & Lama Tsultrim Allione: Shambhala's Sakyong Mipham

Caveat emptor. Apparently, we need lemon laws. Anyway, empowerments granted by gurus with no realization have no force anyway. I hear what you’re saying, but it seems what matters is empowerment come from someone with instructions from the lineage. “Homage to Vajrakumāra” “Please bestow... “Firstly...
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:40 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 89
Views: 2820

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

The topic is loaded question. Like, why do you abuse your wife? There is room for a guru to make you feel bad, confuse you, impeach you... The thing is, Nathan, is that there is flaw in the way the narrative of guru devotion is being communicated, and that leads to serious abuse of students by puta...
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:32 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 89
Views: 2820

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

We have to be clear about what we’re going to do at the very beginning so that there will be no problems or confusion later. The problem with this statement by Lama Zopa is that there is no certifying authority for gurus, and it is extremely hard for people, when they are beginners, to actually be ...
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:30 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 89
Views: 2820

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

Be careful at the beginning , because once the relationship has been established nothing can be changed unless the guru gives you permission to no longer regard him as your guru. Once the relationship has been formed there is no heavier karma than giving up the guru, renouncing the guru as an objec...
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:25 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 89
Views: 2820

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

But there are some statements in mahanana sutra which may be a factor to people could act in such manner. The Vimalakirti Sutra: Then the Licchavi Vimalakirti said to the patriarch Mahakasyapa, "Reverend Mahakasyapa, the Maras who play the devil in the innumerable universes of the ten directions ar...
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:23 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 89
Views: 2820

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

The topic is loaded question. Like, why do you abuse your wife? There is room for a guru to make you feel bad, confuse you, impeach you... The thing is, Nathan, is that there is flaw in the way the narrative of guru devotion is being communicated, and that leads to serious abuse of students by puta...
by Malcolm
Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:33 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 89
Views: 2820

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

Ok. Lots of posts removed. Some of them may find there way into a split off topic (or not). I don't have the time to sift through them this evening so see if there is anything worth salvaging. For now, carry on with the discussion of what's the point of abusive gurus? Not really worth saving....
by Malcolm
Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:09 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche
Replies: 12
Views: 468

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

In Tibet they don't seem to have a problem to have several Padmasambhavas around. Why would they? It's a perfectly orthodox opinion to hold. You know, for any odd reason in Tibet tulkus are or were born in rich and influential families with much higher probability than in poor and not so influentia...
by Malcolm
Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:05 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche
Replies: 12
Views: 468

Re: Kyabgon Gongma Trichen Rinpoche is the Mind Emanation of Guru Rinpoche

Motova wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:19 am
Apparently so is Sogyal Lakar. :shrug:
Recognized by his mother, but not really enthroned, or recognized by anyone else as such.
by Malcolm
Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:23 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 89
Views: 2820

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

Virgo wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:16 pm
heart wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:41 pm
I also want to say that I really disagree with the title of this thread, I would never post in such a thread.
Magnus, you just did.

Kevin...
He is referring to the fact that while I was writing my post, the other thread was locked.
by Malcolm
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:31 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo & Lama Tsultrim Allione: Shambhala's Sakyong Mipham
Replies: 247
Views: 8308

Re: Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo & Lama Tsultrim Allione: Shambhala's Sakyong Mipham

Do what to remedy? Lets start by not pretending that everything advanced in the name of Vajrayāna actually corresponds with Vajrayāna Dharma on any level. Lets also stop pretending, in the name of "samaya," that bestowing empowerments is a free pass to abuse students, sexually, financially, and emo...
by Malcolm
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:30 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 89
Views: 2820

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

I think we have to accept that these stories are a part of our Vajrayana heritage, all lineages included, and that they do have point. The point is generally lost on people who might come to Vajrayāna teachings, but lose faith in the Vajrayāna before they have even begun. Vajrayāna, after all, is p...
by Malcolm
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:11 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 89
Views: 2820

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

Crazywisdom wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:10 pm
May the fat wallet lamas be the real deal.
Sadly, this is generally not the case.
by Malcolm
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:10 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo & Lama Tsultrim Allione: Shambhala's Sakyong Mipham
Replies: 247
Views: 8308

Re: Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo & Lama Tsultrim Allione: Shambhala's Sakyong Mipham

I’m saying there’s too much finger pointing going on here. It’s enough to make this point. After a while the scale tips towards disparaging samaya holders. No, there is no finger pointing -- there is mere acknowledgement that we have a religious tradition which is in deep denial about harmful abuse...
by Malcolm
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:04 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 89
Views: 2820

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

Apparently, you like the heat. Vajrakilaya tantras have some pointed things to say about this. My point is that if you do not like the conversation, you are not required to participate. The Tibetan tradition is not perfect, it has problems, mostly having to do with abuse of power, money, sexism, an...
by Malcolm
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:02 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 89
Views: 2820

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

I am a little surprised at this discussion and several others recently. Vajrayana (including Dzogchen) is not really about finding a nice teacher that can teach you nice things, right? It is about recognising the natural state, decide on that and gain full realisation in the natural self liberation...
by Malcolm
Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:53 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo & Lama Tsultrim Allione: Shambhala's Sakyong Mipham
Replies: 247
Views: 8308

Re: Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo & Lama Tsultrim Allione: Shambhala's Sakyong Mipham

I agree w HHST Glad we cleared that up. I’m saying there’s too much finger pointing going on here. It’s enough to make this point. After a while the scale tips towards disparaging samaya holders. No, there is no finger pointing -- there is mere acknowledgement that we have a religious tradition whi...
by Malcolm
Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:47 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo & Lama Tsultrim Allione: Shambhala's Sakyong Mipham
Replies: 247
Views: 8308

Re: Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo & Lama Tsultrim Allione: Shambhala's Sakyong Mipham

Ok. Also keep in mind mantrins who hold samaya. Disparagers become the object of ritual slaying. Better make sure you can stab your wooden kīla into a rock before you attempt such feats. Otherwise, you just harm yourself. BTW, at Lamdre, recently, His Holiness Sakya Trizen 42 made it quite clear th...
by Malcolm
Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:43 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo & Lama Tsultrim Allione: Shambhala's Sakyong Mipham
Replies: 247
Views: 8308

Re: Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo & Lama Tsultrim Allione: Shambhala's Sakyong Mipham

Ok. Also keep in mind mantrins who hold samaya. Disparagers become the object of ritual slaying. Better make sure you can stab your wooden kīla into a rock before you attempt such feats. Otherwise, you just harm yourself. BTW, at Lamdre, recently, His Holiness Sakya Trizen 42 made it quite clear th...
by Malcolm
Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:32 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: What's the point of abusive gurus?
Replies: 89
Views: 2820

Re: What's the point of abusive gurus?

There is way too much vajra guru slamming going on here. You all should know you’re walking on thin ice. Vajra gurus do not have the immunity of papal infallibility. If you do not like the heat... Apparently, you like the heat. Vajrakilaya tantras have some pointed things to say about this. My poin...

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