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by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:50 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 47
Views: 551

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Maybe, maybe not. there are a lot of renowned Buddhist savants in history who have put forward some pretty bad arguments -- like Sapan's argument that ants lack eyes. Just embarrassing. Tell, what is your point in including this throwaway line? Don't be an ass. I am stating that perhaps some of Zhi...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:29 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 47
Views: 551

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

What does it really mean to say that rocks have buddhanature? As far as I can tell, not much. It's a pretty meaningless statement. You might as well ask, does Zyklon B have buddhanature? The implications drawn from these different meanings might lead to different ends. I guess that's the whole deba...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:25 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 47
Views: 551

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

In Tiantai, the full blown mutuality between beings and their environment is brought out in Mohezhikuan. In the Indian view, the world arises from the mind. So, rocks are defined as functions of the mind. In the Tiantai view, the mind is also a function of the rock. Depends on which Indian Buddhist...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:08 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 47
Views: 551

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Not so, mutuality is addressed by the container traces in the minds of sentient beings which produce the appearances of all six realms. Since we have these traces, we have mutual appearances of trees, rocks, etc., or river of pus and blood, etc., or hell guardians, etc. This is what I mean. You don...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:37 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Dharma government?
Replies: 55
Views: 442

Re: Dharma government?

Queequeg wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:19 pm

The Oculus is, hands down, the greatest architectural achievement in NYC, ever (IMO :)).
I would argue that the great architectural achievement in NYC, ever, is Central Park.
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:09 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Dharma government?
Replies: 55
Views: 442

Re: Dharma government?

Since it depends on the munificence of kings, it does not really go very far at all. Yes. This is a problem with it. The values, though, could be drawn out as a political policy. One of the recommendations that struck me when I first read it, and its still a point of fascination to me - He tells th...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:04 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Dharma government?
Replies: 55
Views: 442

Re: Dharma government?

I am advocating the introduction of Buddhist ideas and values into the public sphere and by extension into the political process and government policies. Such as? One of the problems with the secular governments we have now is that they are fundamentally materialist. There are historical reasons fo...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:58 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Dharma government?
Replies: 55
Views: 442

Re: Dharma government?

I was pointing out that there are many moving parts. We don't really know what is going wrong. I tend to think that Islam is not particularly good as a personal or social value system, but that is admittedly an opinion, based on observation and experience. Most of us here are pretty ignorant of Isl...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:54 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Dharma government?
Replies: 55
Views: 442

Re: Dharma government?

That's the point -- it is a Mahāyāna polemical treatise—— not even all Buddhists would go along with it. And under a government implementing the Jeweled Garland they'd have the liberty to disagree and pursue their dharmas. They'd even be encouraged and supported. But I'm not particularly interested...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:51 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 47
Views: 551

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

I disagree. If you think I did not address your point, you should point out what point I did not address. Be concise. You just stated views you hold. But let's go on. Mutuality, for one. Not so, mutuality is addressed by the container traces in the minds of sentient beings which produce the appeara...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:48 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 47
Views: 551

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

When the Buddha appeared in India, he had to work with the language and ideas current around him. As the Dharma is transmitted to people of different cultures, its expression changes. The ills of the people are different and so their cures differ. Not really. Everyone suffers from same three afflic...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:24 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Dharma government?
Replies: 55
Views: 442

Re: Dharma government?

Queequeg wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:12 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:06 pm
The Ratnavali is Mahāyāna polemical text.
I never said it wasn't.
That's the point -- it is a Mahāyāna polemical treatise—— not even all Buddhists would go along with it.
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:23 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 47
Views: 551

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Are you explaining Tiantai views? East Asian? Take note where you are posting. The question originally was open. The doctrine is strictly East Asian, and finds no basis in Indian Buddhism at all. Specifically, your presentation does not add up, which is why I rebutted it. :smile: You didn't actuall...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:22 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 47
Views: 551

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Thank you Queequeg for the in depth explanation, very useful. I would emphatically say "cannot be traced to Indian roots" does not equal false. It's derived from an Indian basis via some further philosophical speculation, which is very subtle. No, it is not derived from any Indian basis at all. Als...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:06 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Dharma government?
Replies: 55
Views: 442

Re: Dharma government?

In the absence of a creed, philosophy, ideology, religion, etc. as a paradigm through which to organize the world and provide a map for life, some iteration will emerge and become the defacto creed, philosophy, ideology, religion, etc. This is true for the individual as it is for society. Better to...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:59 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 47
Views: 551

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Thank you Queequeg for the in depth explanation, very useful. I would emphatically say "cannot be traced to Indian roots" does not equal false. It's derived from an Indian basis via some further philosophical speculation, which is very subtle. No, it is not derived from any Indian basis at all. Als...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:53 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 47
Views: 551

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Rocks are appearances that ripen from container world traces sentient beings hold in common. Rocks still don't have minds in this scheme. When we say that Rocks share Buddhanature with Sentient Beings, this is a statement about the nature of reality, not Buddhanature as the sort of simplified idea ...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:49 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Dharma government?
Replies: 55
Views: 442

Re: Dharma government?

Kings are not the only choice for a Dharma government. Iran has an interesting model where they have a clergy with an ethical veto on a democratically elected government. Applying the very dynamic and situational ethics Buddhism is famous for as a check against the inevitable oligarchy and plutocra...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:34 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Who is America ?
Replies: 227
Views: 4402

Re: Who is America ?

Well, nation states are not going anywhere anytime soon. And that is one of the major sources of our current problems (globally). Not much is going to change, I am afraid. It is a situation we are stuck with for the foreseeable future. The only alternative is to create communities whose decision ma...
by Malcolm
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:30 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Dharma government?
Replies: 55
Views: 442

Re: Dharma government?

In the absence of a creed, philosophy, ideology, religion, etc. as a paradigm through which to organize the world and provide a map for life, some iteration will emerge and become the defacto creed, philosophy, ideology, religion, etc. This is true for the individual as it is for society. Better to...

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