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by Malcolm
Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:27 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 56
Views: 1251

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

Mine or smcj’s? smcj's...his claim that Dudjom R subordinates Dzogchen to sutrayāna madhyamaka of any kind. I do not claim that he “subordinates” Dzogchen at all. I claim he uses Great Madhyamaka/Shentong to declare the superiority of Dzogchen. There is no need to do this. This is like saying a lio...
by Malcolm
Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:54 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 56
Views: 1251

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

Is the “third turning” gzhan stong or just Yogācāra? Seems only Yogācāra is being referenced in the excerpt despite the assertion that his use of “third turning” is supposed to be a reference to gzhan song 3rd Turning can be interpreted as Mind Only or Empty of Other. It can also be understood as r...
by Malcolm
Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:52 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 56
Views: 1251

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

krodha wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:35 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:25 pm
Nine of these passages support your claim.
Mine or smcj’s?
smcj's...his claim that Dudjom R subordinates Dzogchen to sutrayāna madhyamaka of any kind.
by Malcolm
Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:25 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 56
Views: 1251

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

Nine of these passages support your claim. Page 300 of "The Big Red Book" in the chapter titled "Superiority of Atiyoga". Remember, he is not discussing sutra here. He is discussing Dzogchen and why it is superior to the lower 8 yanas. Also worthy of note is the fact that he says that Nagarjuna/2nd ...
by Malcolm
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:23 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR
Replies: 49
Views: 1741

Re: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR

If by "all of this" you mean Hays' statement re Akong R my view is that I don't know what actually happened. My point in making this thread is to stimulate discussion concerning Hays' statement, possibly turning up relevant information. The bar for these claims to be credible is extraordinarily hig...
by Malcolm
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:30 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR
Replies: 49
Views: 1741

Re: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR

smcj wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:15 am
You guys do know that beatings were common in pre-PRC monasteries, right?
As well as pre 1959 elemtary schools in the USA...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:46 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Mahamudra and Dzogchen
Replies: 63
Views: 2154

Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen

I cannot tell anything about whom I don’t know, (Dezhung Ajam). If I remember Lamdre correctly, there are purifications of past, present and future life and intermediate stage in development stage, and one actually understands real lamdre view in completion stage. In dzogchen, if the student has au...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:23 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Mahamudra and Dzogchen
Replies: 63
Views: 2154

Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen

Agree! Actually, I have a doubt on this statement: "The basis of purification of Dzogchen is pristine consciousness." If something that is pure and perfect from very beginning, what is there one purifies? You can doubt the statement, but it is a statement made by the great Lamdre exegete Dezhung Aj...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:33 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 56
Views: 1251

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

Dzogchen masters do not privilege sūtra views over Vajrayāna views -- this is a point you seem to have never understood. In his "Big Red Book" Dudjom R. explains that Dzogchen is superior specifically because it has the Great Madhyamaka/Shentong view. We have had that discussion before. I have quot...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:27 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR
Replies: 49
Views: 1741

Re: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR

I honestly finda that hard to believe. This is bit too much. But still shows how f-ing messy the whole situation is. Kinda reminded me of a passage where Dianna says Akong R. bullied her and CTR when they still were in Samye-ling. But still really? This is a horrible mess. I knew Akong Rinpoche for...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:23 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 56
Views: 1251

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

Dudjom R. have a Shentong/Great Madhyamaka view. When it comes to sūtra, yes. Not when it comes to Dzogchen. Jigme Lingpa follows Tsongkhapa when it comes to sūtra, but not when it comes to Dzogchen. Dzogchen masters do not privilege sūtra views over Vajrayāna views -- this is a point you seem to h...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:20 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 56
Views: 1251

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

Actually, the assertion that there is no basis is precisely the meaning of Dzogchen, Mahāmudra, and Prajñāpāramitā. With Prajnaparamita yes. With Mahamudra and Dzogchen it depends on who you talk to. In "Myriad Worlds" Kongtrul writes: What is the fundamental nature of the original primordial groun...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:16 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 56
Views: 1251

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:15 pm
Malcolm,

Usually we speak of the Sutrayana paths as as the causal vehicles, and the mantrayana paths as the resultant vehicles; but does Dzogchen consider Anuyoga and Mahayoga "resultant"?
Yes.
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:59 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 56
Views: 1251

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

:buddha1: p There is no primordial state. Hi Malcolm, unless you are referring to emptiness, then I don't understand what you mean. Throughout The Supreme Source by Chogyal Namkhai Norbu the Base is continually referred to as "the primordial state" (for example, on page 85). Would you mind clarifyi...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:43 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Mahamudra and Dzogchen
Replies: 63
Views: 2154

Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen

If one knows the Dzochen before receiving Love amdre, those instructions of the lamdre at the time of empowerment would be very profound.It is my personal opinion. Certainly, what they emphasize to purify is different. There is no doubt that Lamdre and Dzogchen are compatible, but one has to unders...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:35 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR
Replies: 49
Views: 1741

Re: Leslie Hays says Akong R kidnapped and tortured SMR

I decided to look through the comment thread on Hays' cat story FB post, and there are many interesting comments but this one especially caught my eye: Then Sakyong Mipham rinpoche (smr or the Sawang as he was known then) was kidnapped by Akong Tulku, and he was tortured- locked in a closet & he sh...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:18 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Mahamudra and Dzogchen
Replies: 63
Views: 2154

Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen

One cannot practice Lamdre from a Dzogchen point of view. Why? The basis of purification is different. The basis of purification of Lamdre is the five aggregates. The basis of purification of Dzogchen is pristine consciousness. If one knows the Dzochen before receiving Lamdre, those instructions of...
by Malcolm
Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:57 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State
Replies: 56
Views: 1251

Re: Immutable Nature of the Primordial State

There is no primordial state.
by Malcolm
Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:20 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Big messages to deplorables ???
Replies: 139
Views: 3196

Re: Big messages to deplorables ???

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:17 pm
Rick wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:41 pm

What's the *realistic* alternative? Vote for Nader and boot Gore out of the White House?
I actually did heh, and I feel justified in doing so.
Yeah, that worked out real well for America. :roll:
by Malcolm
Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:45 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Mahamudra and Dzogchen
Replies: 63
Views: 2154

Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen

Anyone wants Rainbow body these days has to practice Guru Singhishwara. No, this is just standard Vajrayāna hyperbole. Even if you practice this, there is no guarantee of rainbow body. Rainbow body depends on the practitioner, not the practice. I believe Khenpo Namdrol The notion comes from a line ...

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