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by BuddhaFollower
Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:37 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
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Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

Kenneth Chan wrote: is correct, although he apparently changed his mind later.
Malcolm agreed that was Tsongkhapa's position.

Malcolm did not agree with Tsongkhapa's position.

There is a difference.
by BuddhaFollower
Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:29 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 966
Views: 54037

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

As Cloudburst correctly points out, there are some here who refuse to understand the Gelug point of view correctly by interpreting the words they use in the appropriate sense, i.e., according to what the Gelug texts actually mean by those words. This, unfortunately, calls into question the motivati...
by BuddhaFollower
Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:17 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 966
Views: 54037

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

If Gelugs have something like "conventional existence" then they are way off. do you realize how absurd your post is...where does the term conventional existence get mentioned in Gelug tradition. and from your post i wonder.... So then when trying to teach Madhyamika you are saying it's like agains...
by BuddhaFollower
Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:07 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 966
Views: 54037

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

You are missing the point. What Cloudburst is saying, if I understand them correctly, is that neither KB himself nor the authors KB quotes in CotSS seek to present an understanding of the Gelug viewpoint. KB is trying to elucidate Kagyu interpretations of Prajnaparamita and Madhyamaka, and the text...
by BuddhaFollower
Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:10 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 966
Views: 54037

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

Conventional existence You keep inserting existence when it isn't there. The Sanskrit is "samvrtisatya", or simply "samvrti". samvrti = seeming, conventional, relative etc. satya = truth No, I'm specifically talking about conventional existence there as understood by the Gelug tradition. If Gelugs ...
by BuddhaFollower
Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:06 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 966
Views: 54037

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

Cloudburst, "Center of the Sunlit Sky" is a better book then "Great Treatise". Karl Brunnhozl does not insert "intrinsically" all over the place like in "Great Treatise". You are missing the point. What Cloudburst is saying, if I understand them correctly, is that neither KB himself nor the authors...
by BuddhaFollower
Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:40 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 966
Views: 54037

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

Cloudburst,

"Center of the Sunlit Sky" is a better book then "Great Treatise".

Karl Brunnhozl does not insert "intrinsically" all over the place like in "Great Treatise".
by BuddhaFollower
Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:36 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 966
Views: 54037

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

Conventional existence You keep inserting existence when it isn't there. The Sanskrit is "samvrtisatya", or simply "samvrti". samvrti = seeming, conventional, relative etc. satya = truth The blue of the sky isn't there either, but yet it appears. If you search for it, it will disappear but it you d...
by BuddhaFollower
Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:02 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 966
Views: 54037

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

Bakmoon wrote:Conventional existence
You keep inserting existence when it isn't there.

The Sanskrit is "samvrtisatya", or simply "samvrti".

samvrti = seeming, conventional, relative etc.
satya = truth
by BuddhaFollower
Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:54 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 966
Views: 54037

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

which in my opinion quite clearly teaches conventional existence. But for Candrakirti, the conventional (also called "relative" and "seeming") is a result of ignorance. Candrakirti's Madhyamakavatara : "The object of perfect seeing is true reality, And false seeing is the seeming reality " Candraki...
by BuddhaFollower
Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:28 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 966
Views: 54037

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

I am only slightly more prepared to assume Malcolm is wrong about this than I am to accept that the entire Gelug lineage founders on a blatant mistake about the distinction between the inherent self and the mere self. Can you prove this is even a Gelug position? :shrug: From actual Gelugpas, not th...
by BuddhaFollower
Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:03 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 966
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Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

All Madhyamikas propound dependent arising. Dependent arising = Nonarising. For example in the book Nagarjuna's Reason Sixty by Loizzo, Candrakirti says: "the perfectly enlightened buddhas-proclaimed, "What is dependently created is uncreated." "Likewise, here as well, the Lord Buddha’s pronounceme...
by BuddhaFollower
Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:28 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 966
Views: 54037

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

Bakmoon wrote:That's not true, the Gelug presentation accepts the valid imputation of a self.
Thats news to me. :shrug:

Then Gelugs are non-Buddhist. :toilet:
by BuddhaFollower
Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:36 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 966
Views: 54037

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

Tsongkhapafan wrote:It's not profound, it's simply nihilism - the denial of something that validly exists: valid imputation of self.
Buddhists deny Atman.

This is pretty basic.

You don't represent any view but your own.
by BuddhaFollower
Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:01 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yet another Dzogchen pseudo-guru?
Replies: 29
Views: 3889

Re: Yet another Dzogchen pseudo-guru?

tingdzin wrote: If BF had said "most Western gurus" I might even agree. The fact that he said "all" and "white" clearly shows that racial prejudice rather than critical intelligence was the deciding factor in his evaluation.
No, because one can be western with Tibetan ancestry.

Like ChNN's son.
by BuddhaFollower
Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:44 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Since Tibetans are outcastes, how does it effect Tibetan Buddhism?
Replies: 68
Views: 5119

Re: Since Tibetans are outcastes, how does it effect Tibetan Buddhism?

Elverskog admits the destruction of Nalanda, Odantapuri, and Vikramasila was "a devastating blow to the Dharma in India." "Nevertheless, with the support of an ever-dwindling pool of Buddhist merchant elite the tantric tradition had been kept alive in the few remaining Dharma institutions, such as t...
by BuddhaFollower
Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:57 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Since Tibetans are outcastes, how does it effect Tibetan Buddhism?
Replies: 68
Views: 5119

Re: Since Tibetans are outcastes, how does it effect Tibetan Buddhism?

Karma Jinpa wrote::good:

Would you suggest this book for Muslim frienda, Malcolm? Sounds like quite an interesting read.

Author creates a strawman, that Nalanda was the sole custodian of Buddhism, just to knock that strawman down.

And the author doesn't even deny Nalanda was sacked.
by BuddhaFollower
Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:33 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Since Tibetans are outcastes, how does it effect Tibetan Buddhism?
Replies: 68
Views: 5119

Re: Since Tibetans are outcastes, how does it effect Tibetan Buddhism?

Before people continue to broadcast the political myth that Islam delivered the coup de gras on Buddhism in India, they should really read this book. And if you keep reading he says: "Indeed, contrary to the standard idea promoted by the above story that Nalanda’s destruction signaled the death of ...
by BuddhaFollower
Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:56 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Since Tibetans are outcastes, how does it effect Tibetan Buddhism?
Replies: 68
Views: 5119

Re: Since Tibetans are outcastes, how does it effect Tibetan Buddhism?

According to Perter Harvey of Cambrigde. Islamic texts of South Asia and Central Asia called idols in general of "budd". But I assume for you this just plain "coincidence" or "chance" :meditate: . https://books.google.com.br/books?id=u0sg9LV_rEgC&pg=PA194&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false I read this...
by BuddhaFollower
Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:14 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Since Tibetans are outcastes, how does it effect Tibetan Buddhism?
Replies: 68
Views: 5119

Re: Since Tibetans are outcastes, how does it effect Tibetan Buddhism?

I am quite familiar with Hindutva nationalism, I don't find it really convincing, like most nationalist "history." So you prefer Sheldon Pollock's amateurish scholarship which says Ravana was a proxy for Islam? Both Hindu and Buddhist texts clearly say Ravana was a foremost Dharma practitioner. :sh...

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