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by tobes
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:29 am
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: Hong Kong.
Replies: 90
Views: 1716

Re: Hong Kong.

I agree with Peter C on this. It's the Hobbesian moment: you might have 100 good people living in anarchistic peace. But it just takes one nasty/violent/sociopath to cause that system to fail. And, there's always one. So, I'll take sovereignty, law and order please. Question is, which kind? Actually...
by tobes
Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:20 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation
Replies: 167
Views: 3717

Re: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation

Beautiful post before Simon E. Previously though, you said that you completed Ngondro (Kagyu? Does it even matter?) and got nothing from it. No one can say for sure, but I highly doubt that there is no relationship between these two things (and all the other Dharmic efforts) which you seem to see as...
by tobes
Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:56 am
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: Hong Kong.
Replies: 90
Views: 1716

Re: Hong Kong.

Actually what I was really saying, before this thread became derailed by the uses and abuses of history, is this: There are geopolitical forces, always. But, the Hong Kongers have agency; they are not mere puppets of geopolitical forces. Both are at play, both things interact - politics needs to be ...
by tobes
Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:56 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation
Replies: 167
Views: 3717

Re: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation

To be frank about it, and I'm only talking about myself here: If I have not accomplished renunciation from the depths of my heart, than have I even achieved the basis for genuinely taking refuge? No. This is mere wishful thinking and lip service. And although I have tried extremely hard for a long t...
by tobes
Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:04 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation
Replies: 167
Views: 3717

Re: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation

Tobes, If you feel you've been beaten over the head with teachings on renunciation, then I'd suggest that you haven't really developed renunciation from the bottom of your heart. If you had (or me or anyone else), you'd rejoice in those teachings and feel like they were a very great blessing. IME, ...
by tobes
Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:08 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation
Replies: 167
Views: 3717

Re: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation

The issue seems to me to boil down to a common problem in these waters: Dzogchen is not the only Vajrayana path. Sometimes people post here as if it is, and in doing so implicitly or explicitly disparage other approaches. There are virtually no Gelugs on the whole of Dharmawheel, and indeed not man...
by tobes
Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:56 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: Hong Kong.
Replies: 90
Views: 1716

Re: Hong Kong.

We could go all the way back to the Cambrian explosion and still not get an adequate foundation for historical claims.

Dependent arising makes history hard, eh?
by tobes
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:22 am
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: Hong Kong.
Replies: 90
Views: 1716

Re: Hong Kong.

I don't think history is fixed and I certainly agree that it is contested. And I am a very long way from having good - proper - historical knowledge of recent Chinese history. You and Peter C want to go for the jugular for my ignorance on these matters: please be my guests. I have nothing to defend ...
by tobes
Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:33 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Post Truth World
Replies: 46
Views: 952

Re: Post Truth World

Heal, because it's based on logic, (Buddhist logic), and equanimity. There's one thing that seems to stand out more than almost anything else in studying scriptures, and that's the principle of equipoise, peace, non-reactivity. This would also be useful in every endeavor. Working heavy equipment, w...
by tobes
Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:54 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation
Replies: 167
Views: 3717

Re: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation

One topic for the relevant forum - There is no Dzogchen with renunciation. I think you could argue that viewing phenomena without any attachment or aversion is the ultimate renunciation -- as it's completely turning away from samsara. Yes, I think you surely could, and it is a compelling argument. ...
by tobes
Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:30 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation
Replies: 167
Views: 3717

Re: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation

The issue seems to me to boil down to a common problem in these waters: Dzogchen is not the only Vajrayana path. Sometimes people post here as if it is, and in doing so implicitly or explicitly disparage other approaches. There are virtually no Gelugs on the whole of Dharmawheel, and indeed not many...
by tobes
Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:06 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: Hong Kong.
Replies: 90
Views: 1716

Re: Hong Kong.

This is so outrageous as to be laughable, were it not tragic. How is this in any way controversial? Mao spearheaded the revolution of which the sovereign structure of modern China was born and endures . He was of a humble background. Please be clear: I am in no way asserting that 21st century China...
by tobes
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:27 am
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: Hong Kong.
Replies: 90
Views: 1716

Re: Hong Kong.

Modern China is itself an expression of this: what was Mao before the revolution but a peasant boy disappointed by the system? Out of curiosity - have you spent much time living in China? Know many (Chinese) people there well? You speak with a lot of confidence on this topic, is that based in first...
by tobes
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:17 am
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: Hong Kong.
Replies: 90
Views: 1716

Re: Hong Kong.

Modern China is itself an expression of this: what was Mao before the revolution but a peasant boy disappointed by the system? This is so outrageous as to be laughable, were it not tragic. How is this in any way controversial? Mao spearheaded the revolution of which the sovereign structure of moder...
by tobes
Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:33 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation
Replies: 167
Views: 3717

Re: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation

Did this thread really go from 'renunciation is not necessary' to 'Marcuse is necessary'?

I heard a story about CTR in Bhutan requesting one of his Australian students to teach him Fromm....so maybe at least one Vajrayana road goes in this direction.....
by tobes
Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:04 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: Hong Kong.
Replies: 90
Views: 1716

Re: Hong Kong.

My point is: It is all about geopolitics played out between superpowers. The rest is propaganda. The same way the US has for example deluded Hungary and let them down against the Soviet Union in 1956; the same way they deluded and let down the Kurds. This why I say HongKongers should be realistic. ...
by tobes
Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:34 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation
Replies: 167
Views: 3717

Re: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation

I feel like with a bit more nuance, the thread has resolved itself fairly well.

There are a few more posts addressed to me - I am not responding out of a gentle weariness of discourse, rather than ignoring some well made points. So due apologies futerko & tapurusa.

:anjali:
by tobes
Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:27 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation
Replies: 167
Views: 3717

Re: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation

Can we leave it at this: If you have realised Dzogchen, renunciation does not apply. If not, it applies. My final contribution is the beginning off the Mahamudra lineage prayer: "Renunciation is the foot of meditation as is said. Not being attached to food and wealth. To the meditator who cuts off t...
by tobes
Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:29 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation
Replies: 167
Views: 3717

Re: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation

Exactly this. It’s so obviously the case that it’s clear that the OP either has a theoretical knowledge of the Vajrayana only, and there is other evidence to support that view, or is being contrarian. If I'm without evidence and being a contrarian, than so is Milarepa. Do you have an actual argumen...
by tobes
Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:24 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation
Replies: 167
Views: 3717

Re: There is no Vajrayana without renuciation

To hold that renunciation is itself a form of clinging is to fatally misunderstand not only the message of so many great masters, but also, the way they actually lived their lives. The held nothing, they owned nothing, they clung to nothing: they expressed renunciation in every moment. The very wor...

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