Dharma Wheel

Ven. Huifeng: Very true, not only different, but sometimes more difficult than regular conversation.... like the saying goes, once a bell is rung it can't be unrung, so care should always be taken. Astus: The T'ien T'ai tradition has always resonated with me, especially the commentary on the ten pra...

As mentioned earlier, I should have chosen a better statement at the time, like "pre-existing elements that distinguish Ch'an from other schools of Buddhism", as this was what I was actually referring to. Certainly need to be more diligent when it comes to my choice words, especially when ...

The monumental task of communicating Indian ideas to a Chinese audience was in inevitably informed by indigenous social, political, philosophical, and religious beliefs. Henry Maspero showed long ago that the earliest Chinese translations of Buddhist text were so heavily laden with Taoist terminolo...

Please read over my comment again because I certainly did not say that. In the early phases of its entry, Buddhism did not find many adherents in China, but Ch'an succeeded to do just that, agreeing with you in regard to the prestige and honor it commanded.

I wonder what JK's thoughts were in regard to the Kalama Sutta and the Atta Dipa, about whether such a discussion or dialogue ever occured in comparison. Just checked and BuddhaNet seems to have quite a bit on this and other subjects related to him: http://www.buddhanet.net/bvk_study/bvk_preface.htm...

And yet when Buddhism first entered China it struggled... it was only after the establishment of Ch'an as an institutionalized form of Buddhism that this seemed to change.

Dharmakara is ordained in both Theravadin and Mahayana traditions and probably has a clearer idea of this than most of the people on this forum. :smile: Really? Then best of luck to Ven. Dharmakara and his discussion. :namaste: Please, no "venerable" is necessary, as there are certainly m...

This was posted earlier on the thread, an excerpt from the book "Questioning Krishnamurti", which contained an exchange between JK and the Ven. Prof Walpola Sri Rahula Mahathera (1907–1997), a respected Buddhist scholar and author of "What the Buddha Taught": Walpola Rahula: I ha...

Well, I'm quite certain the source for the Baisc Blocks is going to be well received (LOL) by anyone looking to punch at the opinion put forward , but it came from a website that specializes in travel: http://www.imperialtours.net/chan_buddhism.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return f...

True, though I've always been of the opinion that this was more related to the various teaching techniques, the influences that came to shape the understanding of particular teachers as they began over-shadowing doctrinal substance of the Ch'an tradition. This is an excerpt from The Building Blocks ...

Came across a PDF entitled "An Instance of Dependent Origination"... it's described as a terse summary of Krishnamurti's teachings, though not sure how many pages as I don't have a PDF reader on this computer: http://www.shin-ibs.edu/documents/pwj3-9/06Rodrigues39.pdf" onclick="w...

The point is, there is not just any pre-Buddhist Chan but there isn't even a clear cut Chan as represented by the tradition. Frankly, there isn't such Chan even now. Yes, but let's not forget the circumstance from which this thread began, so it isn't taken out of context, that I was replying to a c...

The very foundations which set Ch'an apart from all other branches of Buddhism clearly existed prior to the establishment of the tradition, hence not originating with them, but grafted on in the same manner as one does with a tree in agriculture, where the tissues of one plant are encouraged to fuse...

Can you actually provide any sources for your argument? I mean cite some scholars or show some texts that support your argument. If you can show me Chan practises from the Qin or Warring States period, you will prove your point. However, such things will not be found. Otherwise what you're saying i...

Let's see, we start with this at the beginning (the coat): ‘Just as the ocean slopes away gradually, tends down gradually without any abrupt precipice, even so this Dhamma and discipline is a gradual doing, a gradual training, a gradual practice. There is no sudden penetration of knowledge’ (Udana 5...

Let's try it this way: You walk out of the door with just your coat and while walking down the street you find scarf that someone unrelated to you has dropped, a scarf that compliments the color of your coat, so you pick it up and wrap it around your neck. You continue walking down the street, weari...

it also discards the academic understanding of the history of the pre-Buddhist Ch'an tradition in ancient China, where Buddhist tenents were later merged with it. This is what I was asking you to explain. Pre-Buddhist Chan? Buddhist tenets were added to it by or after Huineng, you say? This is the ...

Okay, this includes the Dharma Treasury of the Golden Mouth of the Buddha with the patriarchal extentions for a clearer view. (I) The Indian Patriarchs of the Golden Mouth of the Buddha: Mahakasyapa Ananda Shanakavasa Upagupta Dhritaka Micchaka Vasumitra ** Buddhanandi Buddhamitra Parsva Punyayasas ...

I recall coming across a critical examination of JK that seemed to cover such, though I'm going to have to look around and see if I can find it again. Sorry, my mistake... it's actually the official repository of Krishnaturi's teachings, which includes search text feature: http://www.jkrishnamurti.o...

The Early Development of the Ch'an Tradition: Chih-kuan (502-557) Fa-lang (507-581) Chi-tsang (549-623) Chih-kai (533-610) Tao-hsin (580-651) Hung-jen (601-674) Cao-xi Hui-neng (638-713) It is from Cao-xi Hui-neng foward that Ch'an can truly be considered Buddhist, as many of the tenets were pre-exi...