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by Coëmgenu
Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:35 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra
Replies: 80
Views: 997

Re: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra

We also have this, Ziporyn quoting Zhiyi: The Conventional Truth includes both the claim that there is illusory existence (of a given X) and that this illusory existence is itself empty [i.e., is itself also non-X]. The Ultimate Truth is that there is neither this existence nor this emptiness, and t...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:00 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra
Replies: 80
Views: 997

Re: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra

This was from a while ago in the exchange, and context has shifted, but in light of what has been discussed here, I would like to respond to this: Again, positing a higher level truth that can relativize the conditioned and ultimate is Separate Teaching - not Sudden and Perfect. I do not think I am ...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:20 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra
Replies: 80
Views: 997

Re: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra

No. That is Separate Teaching. I do not see it that way. All of these truths are inclusively true. But we may have to agree to disagree. I'll see if I can find a way to explain myself better. "that these 3 truths all mutually share, inclusively, in being true." suggests that what is share...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:05 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra
Replies: 80
Views: 997

Re: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra

Furthermore, I think the belief that the 3rd truth invalidates the 2nd and 1st: When the first type of person hears "All dharmas are reducible to the neither defiled nor non-defiled," they take it to mean that all dharmas are inseparable from Emptiness and that even if one were to travers...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:48 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Sukhāvatī in the Lotus Sutra
Replies: 21
Views: 750

Re: Sukhāvatī in the Lotus Sutra

當時眾會,皆見龍女忽然之間變成男子, Then of the saṃgha, all witnessed the dragon's daughter suddenly in-and-instant transform into a man, 具菩薩行,即往南方無垢世界,坐寶蓮華,成等正覺, implement bodhisattvacaryā, promptly go to the southerly vimalā [as in vimalābhūmi ?] lokadhātu, sit in the jewelled puṇḍarīka, accomplish samyaksaṃbodhi...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:08 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra
Replies: 80
Views: 997

Re: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra

Consider, if Buddhahood and devilry are both "completely" the identical and "completely" different, with no contradiction or compromise between those extremes, than the entirety of the fourfold negations can be applied to them, and they can be found to pass the "Madhyamaka ...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:38 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra
Replies: 80
Views: 997

Re: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra

Where is gets less straightforward is that I understand that these truths are understood to be mutually exclusive inasmuch as they are mutually inclusive on the subject matter that informs them. A better way to say it would be: that these 3 truths all mutually share, inclusively, in being true. No....
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:36 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra
Replies: 80
Views: 997

Re: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra

Consider, if Buddhahood and devilry are both "completely" the identical and "completely" different, with no contradiction or compromise between those extremes, than the entirety of the fourfold negations can be applied to them, and they can be found to pass the "Madhyamaka ...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:32 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Sukhāvatī in the Lotus Sutra
Replies: 21
Views: 750

Re: Sukhāvatī in the Lotus Sutra

But we are talking about differences in the same sutra. in one passage of the Lotus Sutra, a woman is reborn into the Pure Land (as a man), and in most other instances, in the same sutra, Bodhisattvas are reborn for countless lifetimes before attaining Buddhahood. *sigh* The Dragon King's Daughter ...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:43 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra
Replies: 80
Views: 997

Re: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra

Coëmgenu wrote:Where is gets less straightforward is that I understand that these truths are understood to be mutually exclusive inasmuch as they are mutually inclusive on the subject matter that informs them.
A better way to say it would be: that these 3 truths all mutually share, inclusively, in being true.
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:37 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Sukhāvatī in the Lotus Sutra
Replies: 21
Views: 750

Re: Sukhāvatī in the Lotus Sutra

*sigh* The Dragon King's Daughter was not reborn as a man I am actually referring to a different passage of the Lotus Sutra: If there is any woman five hundred years after the parinirvāṇa of the Tathāgata who hears this sutra and practices according to the teaching, she will immediately reach the d...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:07 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: The Dharmakāya in Early Buddhist Texts
Replies: 18
Views: 348

Re: The Dharmakāya in Early Buddhist Texts

Do you know that the (somewhat controversial) Thai Dhammakaya school teaches something very similar? According to Paul Williams, in some respects the teachings of the Dhammakaya Movement resemble the Buddha-nature and Trikaya doctrines of Mahayana Buddhism. He sees the Dhammakaya Movement as having...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:56 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra
Replies: 80
Views: 997

Re: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra

Sorry if I accidentally lead us too far away from the intentions of the OP regarding this thread. I'll rephrase what I'm trying to say, 1 Phenomena are empty of self-nature 2 Phenomena exist provisionally from a worldly perspective 3 Phenomena are both empty of existence and exist provisionally at o...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:01 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra
Replies: 80
Views: 997

Re: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra

Consider, if Buddhahood and devilry are both "completely" the identical and "completely" different, with no contradiction or compromise between those extremes, than the entirety of the fourfold negations can be applied to them, and they can be found to pass the "Madhyamaka l...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:50 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra
Replies: 80
Views: 997

Re: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra

I tend to read the Tiantai Three Truths as a sort of pragmatic cutting-through of the Byzantine lengths of negation conventional language must go through to approach what is framed, conventionally, as the transcendental (but only as conventionally framed). I don't think Zhiyi would agree with you. ...
by Coëmgenu
Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:50 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra
Replies: 80
Views: 997

Re: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra

In short: separate and non-separate, and thus also mutually describable as neither seperate nor non-separate (not separate because it is non-separate, non-separate because it is separate), despite the "apparent" contradiction, that seems to be the conclusion in the premises. You are colla...
by Coëmgenu
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:00 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: The Dharmakāya in Early Buddhist Texts
Replies: 18
Views: 348

Re: The Dharmakāya in Early Buddhist Texts

Malmcolm wrote:Devadatta is a perfect example of schism that happens during the life of the Buddha.
Indeed, and what were among the chief things he did, aside from attempted assassination of the Buddha? I believe he tried to change monastic practice of the time, did he not?
by Coëmgenu
Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:38 am
Forum: Discovering Mahayana Buddhism
Topic: Do we have free will?
Replies: 28
Views: 485

Re: Do we have free will?

Do we have free will? Does not apply in Buddhadharma. The question only applies in theistic traditions. If I may, I think the underlying motivation behind the question, regardless of theistic or atheistic framing, is "is salvation or damnation achievable or inevitable", or "is practi...
by Coëmgenu
Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:09 am
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra
Replies: 80
Views: 997

Re: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra

I'm sure Nichiren Daishonin even believed the Sutra was done directly from Buddha and stored in safe keeping by Nagas....The man prayed whole heartedly to Hachiman a god of Japan.....prayed to spirits near a pond for rain...etc...etc... Half the people in the world think that the metaphors of their...
by Coëmgenu
Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:43 am
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra
Replies: 80
Views: 997

Re: Question about Burning House Parable in Lotus Sutra

EDIT: sorry if this was an unwelcome off-topic tangent, I didn't realize how long it had gotten until now. Apologies on my behalf, as I was the instigator. If the OP desires this moved, (s)he could contact a moderator. Actually, I just realized that we are dealing with a discussion about the commen...

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