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by LastLegend
Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:12 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Teachers/Masters Don’t explain it!
Replies: 3
Views: 280

Teachers/Masters Don’t explain it!

Direct traditions don’t explain it and they have a good reason to do that, but curiosity of inquiry mind. It’s the age of intellect. I personally ask my teacher a lot of questions that would considered dumb questions. 1) This so called natural state isn’t really nature. In the Sutra of Sharangama, i...
by LastLegend
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:53 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Discrimination is self
Replies: 70
Views: 2055

Re: Discrimination is self

Existence/non-existence is central to this topic. At stake in this thread is this basic question: does emptiness imply the cessation of (perceptual) discrimination? If one says yes, then one is equating emptiness with non-existence , and holding that people who realise emptiness do not distinguish ...
by LastLegend
Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:02 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Discrimination is self
Replies: 70
Views: 2055

Re: Discrimination is self

Existence/non-existence is central to this topic. At stake in this thread is this basic question: does emptiness imply the cessation of (perceptual) discrimination? If one says yes, then one is equating emptiness with non-existence , and holding that people who realise emptiness do not distinguish ...
by LastLegend
Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:03 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

If you don't make up ideas or notions about "knowing quality", "present", "infused" or "consciousness", then where are they? Well if you we are having a conversation, we need to use words right! Sure, but I don't think Hui Neng is talking about having conversations when he said “Fundamentally, ther...
by LastLegend
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:30 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

There is a state with no thoughts yet with clarity (not dull) everything is like space, yet it’s still mistaken for nature.
by LastLegend
Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:29 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

recognize in us the part that knows that’s not relying on aggregates. Recognising what knows is fine, but it's not something outside the aggregates, but rather the aggregate called consciousness, and as such it is impermanent and dependently originated. To assume cognisance beyond the aggregates is...
by LastLegend
Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:22 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

You don’t get it. And the degree to which you don’t get it means that you don’t know that you don’t get it. It’s actually pretty embarrassing. No! I get it if I didn’t get why would I tell you I will stop posting there. You think I muddle with my sutric view because they don’t use the same model or...
by LastLegend
Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:26 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

Correct! Don’t some Dozgchen teachers teach gentle(relaxed), firm (prevent distraction), clarity (not dull), and minor mindfulness as instruction to meditate after introduction? 1) If introduction goes straight to nature maybe perhaps, but if that’s the case then we all be enlightened. Where is that...
by LastLegend
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:46 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

I don’t think Dzogchen or Mahamudra surpass the skandhas. Just as I do not think that Dzogchen or Mahamudra surpass shitting or breathing. They simply don’t operate within the same modality. Not that one is superior or inferior. Just very different. No Dzogchen teacher would deny the reality of the...
by LastLegend
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:06 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

You are missing my point. As usual. I would not dream of contributing to the Pure Land Land or Nicheren threads because they are not my tradition and I have received no instruction in those traditions. That seems to me to be common sense and also respectful to those traditions. The same applies to ...
by LastLegend
Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:53 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

There might be some terminological confusion here. The functioning of the aggregates is not a problem, furthermore, you don't (and generally can't) remove or stop the aggregates. Also, the universal mental factors (cetasika/caitasika) like feeling (vedana), perception (sanna/samjna), and volition (...
by LastLegend
Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:27 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

I don’t represent anyone but myself. I am not a teacher. However it is clear that you do not understand the way that aspects of Vajrayana operate..and unless an individual has received the necessary empowerment and instruction they can’t possibly understand the issues. By jumping into those threads...
by LastLegend
Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:13 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

seeker242 wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:45 am
LastLegend wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:20 pm
Yet the knowing quality is present and infused with consciousness.
If you don't make up ideas or notions about "knowing quality", "present", "infused" or "consciousness", then where are they?
Well if you we are having a conversation, we need to use words right!
by LastLegend
Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:16 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

You are consistently concretising and reifying the skandhas. You seem to have internalised in part the model, but not sufficiently to see that they ARE a model, a sophisticated and workable model, but still, a model. They do not represents an absolute. Whole systems of Dharma practise exist which d...
by LastLegend
Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:21 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Discrimination is self
Replies: 70
Views: 2055

Re: Discrimination is self

What’s samjna dude?
by LastLegend
Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:39 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

The issue here is whether we recognize grasping such as opposing to one side and holding or creating other. That would be grasping. If thought is simply known as thought or view simply as view, then no issue but usually skandhas don’t keep it that simple. You are consistently concretising and reify...
by LastLegend
Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:33 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

Thank you for replying! Astus! Skandhas: consciousness starts, followed by intention, perceptions, and sensations (including emotions); all of those characterize delusional habits. Consciousness is to differentiate, intention is part of formations skandhas ‘the act,’ perceptions are not just one the...
by LastLegend
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:59 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

The issue here is whether we recognize grasping such as opposing to one side and holding or creating other. That would be grasping. If thought is simply known as thought or view simply as view, then no issue but usually skandhas don’t keep it that simple.
by LastLegend
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:43 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

it’s not a thing yet it knows or any object concept imaginable. We are it! But we also always try get it with thinking concept or a location. No! We can’t even see with eyes yet through eyes everything is super clear HD if you will. It’s characteristicless but still knows the unborn knowing!. STILL...
by LastLegend
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:22 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Topic: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature
Replies: 51
Views: 154

Re: Zen 6th Patriarch Statement regarding nature

There is a difference between maintaining and knowing/recognizing a view.

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