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by ElephantsYeah
Thu May 17, 2012 2:18 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Issues with deficient teaching masked by the illogic of Zen
Replies: 41
Views: 10470

Re: Issues with deficient teaching masked by the illogic of Zen

To bring this topic back to the original question: Frank, in general, if you think a teacher has given you what you think is a bullsh*t answer, call him or her on it, and see how it goes. If you don't like the way it goes, find another teacher. As beginners, we compare our teachers to impossible hag...
by ElephantsYeah
Thu May 17, 2012 1:43 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Shikantaza
Replies: 56
Views: 17801

Re: Shikantaza

Well, this has become a little complicated, but there *are* good teachers in the West - and Western teachers - who can speak to Frank's question. Aside from the sources I've already mentioned (Uchiyama, Okumura), Steve Hagen's books are also very reliable. In the beginning, it is good to read; I thi...
by ElephantsYeah
Mon May 14, 2012 11:58 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Shikantaza
Replies: 56
Views: 17801

Re: Shikantaza

Of course it is really important to get personal instruction on this from a teacher you respect. Until then, I would recommend the book "Opening the Hand of Thought" by Kosho Uchiyama, a master in Dogen's lineage. You might also check out these instructions from Shohaku Okumura, a student ...
by ElephantsYeah
Mon May 14, 2012 10:34 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Issues with deficient teaching masked by the illogic of Zen
Replies: 41
Views: 10470

Re: Issues with deficient teaching masked by the illogic of Zen

As an aside, a lot of these same issues have been seen before in Chan (to say nothing of Zen) - see Jiang Wu's 2008 study, "Enlightenment in Dispute", which looks at a 17th-century resurgence of "beating-and-shouting" style Chan a la Linji. According to this study, even the dharm...

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