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by cloudburst
Sat May 27, 2023 6:53 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: The Role of Shamatha/Vipaysana in Dzogchen
Replies: 435
Views: 20963

Re: The Role of Shamatha/Vipaysana in Dzogchen

No, I said that if your rigpa is stable it is possible you don't need development and perfection stages anymore. Nevertheless I don't know a single Tibetan master that stopped doing development and perfection stages, including ChNNR. "you dont need to do these but everyone always has and alway...
by cloudburst
Sun Oct 23, 2022 2:50 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Mahayana sutra source for eight freedoms and ten endowments?
Replies: 30
Views: 1286

Re: Mahayana sutra source for eight freedoms and ten endowments?

Is there a Mahayana sutra source for the eight freedoms and ten endowments? Or is this from a shastra? Can anyone identify the first text these appear together? Descent into the Womb Sutra Perfection of Wisdom in Eight Thousand Lines Sutra of Precious Space Jewel of Space Sutra Marvelous Array Sutr...
by cloudburst
Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:55 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and the Two Stages
Replies: 463
Views: 23780

Re: nyingma lineages/cycles structures of practice.

Beautiful quotation. Mipham is another example of someone who engaged in two stages practice for years in retreat! Yes, people do that until,they realize it isn’t necessary at all, and in fact a distraction. "Tulku Natsok Rangdrol (1494-1571) Choje Kunga Gyaltsen Palzang's main student was Tul...
by cloudburst
Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:29 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and the Two Stages
Replies: 463
Views: 23780

Re: nyingma lineages/cycles structures of practice.

??? What's the point of this? I should also mention that Even Migtsema can be a Dzogchen practice, if one understands the principle of the three vajras and their relationship to the three family protectors. After all, the very first text, after his namthar, in the Lhasa edition of Tsongkhapa's coll...
by cloudburst
Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:03 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and the Two Stages
Replies: 463
Views: 23780

Re: Dzogchen and the Two Stages

Mystic deity? is that what Gelugpas call their yidams? /magnus In general, Gelugpas call Yidams "Yidams," but Professor Thurman always has an idiosyncratic spin on things I think we can keep Professor Thurman out of a discussion about "Dzogchen and the Two Stages", no? :smile: /...
by cloudburst
Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:32 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and the Two Stages
Replies: 463
Views: 23780

Re: Dzogchen and the Two Stages

heart wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:29 pm Mystic deity? is that what Gelugpas call their yidams?

/magnus
In general, Gelugpas call Yidams "Yidams," but Professor Thurman always has an idiosyncratic spin on things
by cloudburst
Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:39 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and the Two Stages
Replies: 463
Views: 23780

Re: nyingma lineages/cycles structures of practice.

??? What's the point of this? I should also mention that Even Migtsema can be a Dzogchen practice, if one understands the principle of the three vajras and their relationship to the three family protectors. After all, the very first text, after his namthar, in the Lhasa edition of Tsongkhapa's coll...
by cloudburst
Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:34 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and the Two Stages
Replies: 463
Views: 23780

Re: nyingma lineages/cycles structures of practice.

??? What's the point of this? Updating the record KL said Shri Singha and Vimalamitra did not engage in the two stages, JKW says that these two as well as Padmasambhava practiced a yidam. How many of the great dzogchen practioners of the past never engaged in the two stages? We can speculate about ...
by cloudburst
Sun Aug 21, 2022 4:31 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and the Two Stages
Replies: 463
Views: 23780

Re: nyingma lineages/cycles structures of practice.

How can I possibly answer such a question? I don't know all people who call themselves Dzogchen practitioners. How many of the great dzogchen practioners of the past never engaged in the two stages? We can speculate about that. Like twelve Buddhas of dzogchen, Garab dorje, Shri Singha, Jñanasutra, ...
by cloudburst
Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:35 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and the Two Stages
Replies: 463
Views: 23780

Re: nyingma lineages/cycles structures of practice.

Is it a common thing to be able to practice dzogchen without engaging in the two stages? Yes. It is not our path. Personally, I did not come up that way, having done a three year retreat on Lamdre, etc. Many people do not meet proper Dzogchen teachings until quite well into their path, so you will ...
by cloudburst
Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:13 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and the Two Stages
Replies: 463
Views: 23780

Re: nyingma lineages/cycles structures of practice.

The two stages are not part of the path of Dzogchen, yidams are practiced primarily to remove obstacles and so on. What percentage of Dzogchen practitioners do you think end up engaging in two stages practice? Tibetans like doing yidam practice so at some point many people will end up doing it even...
by cloudburst
Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:10 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and the Two Stages
Replies: 463
Views: 23780

Re: nyingma lineages/cycles structures of practice.

What percentage of Dzogchen practitioners do you think end up engaging in two stages practice? How can I possibly answer such a question? I don't know all people who call themselves Dzogchen practitioners. no one was asking for accuracy, just "what percentage do you think?" Maybe it's eas...
by cloudburst
Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:22 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and the Two Stages
Replies: 463
Views: 23780

Re: nyingma lineages/cycles structures of practice.

4. Example 1. Ngondro 2. Dzogchen. It does not involve any yidam practice at all. Neither does Dzogchen guru yoga, necessarily, unless you consider ཨ a yidam. I never said it did The two stages are not part of the path of Dzogchen, yidams are practiced primarily to remove obstacles and so on. What ...
by cloudburst
Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:54 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and the Two Stages
Replies: 463
Views: 23780

Re: nyingma lineages/cycles structures of practice.

What percentage of practitioners would you say practice dzogchen without doing yidam practice or preliminaries? There are specific Dzogchen preliminaries, which are indispensable, got it! Updating..... 1. Example 1. Nyiondro. 2. Tsa lung /inside the section there is Guru yoga and yidam practice/. 3...
by cloudburst
Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:37 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and the Two Stages
Replies: 463
Views: 23780

Re: nyingma lineages/cycles structures of practice.

thanks everyone for the info ok so please check if i got it right. one first do 3 retreats on ngondro, tummo and thogal. after that one is qualified to do 3 year retreat. during 3 year retreat 3 roots is accumulated first. after 3 roots one is introduced to tregchö. i still don't see where yidam pr...
by cloudburst
Tue May 04, 2021 5:19 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: H.H. Vs. H.E.
Replies: 17
Views: 1938

Re: H.H. Vs. H.E.

Hey all, Didn’t know where to post this, so i posted here because i practice nyingma. I’m just wondering if there’s any rhyme or reason for the different honorifics in tibetan buddhism? What qualifies a lama as H.H. Rather than H.E.? Are there any hard and fast rules about it? it's similar to the r...
by cloudburst
Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:36 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: Rongzom Chökyi Zangpo‘s understanding of Buddhahood and Gnosis
Replies: 151
Views: 14585

Re: Rongzom Chökyi Zangpo‘s understanding of Buddhahood and Gnosis

That is incorrect. fascinating! since the direct perception of the dharmata is the threshold defining the path of seeing, how can that make sense? It's the difference between a path based on sems and a path based on ye shes. If you want more details, you will have to go study Dzogchen under a quali...
by cloudburst
Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:46 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: Rongzom Chökyi Zangpo‘s understanding of Buddhahood and Gnosis
Replies: 151
Views: 14585

Re: Rongzom Chökyi Zangpo‘s understanding of Buddhahood and Gnosis

Malcolm wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:41 pm
cloudburst wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:40 pm Dzogchen too has no direct perception of dharmata below the path of seeing
That is incorrect.
fascinating! since the direct perception of the dharmata is the threshold defining the path of seeing, how can that make sense?
by cloudburst
Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:40 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: Rongzom Chökyi Zangpo‘s understanding of Buddhahood and Gnosis
Replies: 151
Views: 14585

Re: Rongzom Chökyi Zangpo‘s understanding of Buddhahood and Gnosis

There is mahamudra based on the mind, and there is mahamudra based on wisdom, both exist Really, so in Geluk Mahāmudra, below the path of seeing, there is a mahāmudra based on ye shes and the direct perception of dharmatā? below the path of seeing is mahamudra based on the mind, above is mahamudra ...
by cloudburst
Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:31 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: Rongzom Chökyi Zangpo‘s understanding of Buddhahood and Gnosis
Replies: 151
Views: 14585

Re: Rongzom Chökyi Zangpo‘s understanding of Buddhahood and Gnosis

You know what they say about consistency... Im pleased you admit you are dancing on books, I prefer honest conversation partners. Do not forget that is is a foolish consistency that is criticized, you should have tried to remain with your initial good impulse :) Even Geluk Mahāmudra is a path with ...

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