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by climb-up
Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:36 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Oh, apparently Lyosha no longer exists. That’s a bummer. I do know that the eyes are said to remain open but, as I said, there is a specific section where that seems difficult and I would very much love to ask someone who has done the secret Rushen either with ChNN, or perhaps a SMS instructor. you...
by climb-up
Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:17 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Oh, apparently Lyosha no longer exists.
That’s a bummer.

I do know that the eyes are said to remain open but, as I said, there is a specific section where that seems difficult and I would very much love to ask someone who has done the secret Rushen either with ChNN, or perhaps a SMS instructor.
by climb-up
Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:03 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Would someone who did the ratna Lingpa secret rushen with ChNN (either live or webcast) PM me? I have a question about the secret rushen of voice as described in the lojong, rushen and semdzin book. It’s described slightly differently from that of the previous vase and there is one specific place w...
by climb-up
Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:44 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Having some doubts recently...
Replies: 7
Views: 602

Re: Having some doubts recently...

Sounds like you’re set, and obviously your teachers advice is the way to go.
If you’re still having problems with trekcho I wonder if revisiting the secret rushen would be helpful.
by climb-up
Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:46 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Would someone who did the ratna Lingpa secret rushen with ChNN (either live or webcast) PM me? I have a question about the secret rushen of voice as described in the lojong, rushen and semdzin book. It’s described slightly differently from that of the previous vase and there is one specific place wh...
by climb-up
Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:42 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Thanks :D
by climb-up
Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:01 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

On the registration page there was an option to purchase the recording. I dont know if it is publicly available though. And yeah, the retreat has passed, sorry. I thought it will be in July. No prob, thanks for sharing. Is the secret rushen of the Dra Thalgyur different from the ‘standard’ secret r...
by climb-up
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:45 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

https://www.dzamlinggar.net/en/schedule/secret-rushen It’s already passed, right? Unless, maybe, there was a recording? On the registration page there was an option to purchase the recording. I dont know if it is publicly available though. And yeah, the retreat has passed, sorry. I thought it will ...
by climb-up
Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:25 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

It’s already passed, right?
Unless, maybe, there was a recording?
by climb-up
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:27 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Thought I deleted the first one. Not sure what you mean about his books, they are in English, with some terms left in Chinese for reference. Fair enough, I don’t have his books anymore and the VHS tapes I had won’t play even if I do still have them. All I know is that I showed two fluent Chinese sp...
by climb-up
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:16 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

I genuinely don’t mean this as a diss to Frantzis, but I don’t think his regular Chinese is that good either. I was really into his stuff when I was in my early 20s and I remember showing a few in his books to some of my coworkers who were studying college level Chinese (one was Taiwanese and one w...
by climb-up
Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:58 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

I always felt ChNN was aware of what Frantzis was doing since many of his students went to ChNN also. I don't recall any specific mention, but ChNN for sure encouraged us to use methods from other traditions, Buddhist or not, if they were useful and not be limited. I know people who asked ChNN abou...
by climb-up
Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:25 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

I am personally sure it is an authentic endorsement from ChNN, having been a student of both for 20 years. If you are not sure then why not ask the International Gakyil or SSI to clarify. Many students of Bruce Frantzis were also students of ChNN and asked ChNN questions about how to integrate the ...
by climb-up
Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:21 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

I read those books long ago, but probably you are right, from those words it could be interpreted that way. The only published source I know where Frantzis gets more philosophical is an audio course on the Tao Te Ching, this is going to be published as a book so I think there you will see these ter...
by climb-up
Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:17 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

ChNN never once, that I can recall, proposed that people should go learn Qigong, etc. No, of course not! I was originally just wondering if he and Frantzis and some kind of interaction and either ChNN thought what Frantzis was doing was good for people who were interested in Taoism, or that perhaps...
by climb-up
Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:06 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Taoist yoga really requires very little to no scholarly or philosophical knowledge to practice. It's not taught the way Buddhist methods are at all, and even native Chinese speakers who write authoritative books on it tend to teach it without a lot of reliance on written sources, in my experience. ...
by climb-up
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:48 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Why would ChNN, who was ever so careful not to pronounce on things he did not know much about, endorse a neo-Taoist manual? Well, right. Exactly. That’s what made me curious. I thought it possible that they had met and discussed the book, and that ChNN had maybe made a comment; but I don’t know. Th...
by climb-up
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:41 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Malcolm wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:36 pm
climb-up wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:21 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:15 pm


Well, that explains it.
Does it? How so?
Was Lama Wangdor free with his authorizations, and/or political with his appointments?
It is explains who he claims authority from to teach.
Oh, gotcha!
by climb-up
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:21 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Malcolm wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:15 pm
climb-up wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:05 pm

He doesn’t claim to be authorized by ChNN (THAT would not be believable) but by Lama Wangdor, whom I don’t know.
Well, that explains it.
Does it? How so?
Was Lama Wangdor free with his authorizations, and/or political with his appointments?
by climb-up
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:14 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7170
Views: 853664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Tata1 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:57 pm

Have you talked to the guy?
:zzz:
No, I haven’t.
And I certainly would never recommend publicly spreading gossip!!!

...so if anyone wants to PM me with their experiences of Frantzis! ... ;)

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