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by Spelare
Wed May 23, 2018 4:10 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

And suppose a formally Christian, Jewish, or whatever person does study Buddhist philosophy and then has a spontaneous realization of emptiness in their direct experience. not possible. now ask why. Actually, though. There are many people whose adherence to Christian doctrine, for example, is reall...
by Spelare
Tue May 22, 2018 11:58 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

My gut tells me [...] That's just gas. Look, you are here arguing from a.) emotion, and b.) uneducated personal opinion (i.e., ignorance), and you're placing more value on emotion and your own uneducated personal opinion, over that of the Buddhadharma. You are objecting on the basis of attachment t...
by Spelare
Tue May 22, 2018 10:58 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

And suppose a formally Christian, Jewish, or whatever person does study Buddhist philosophy and then has a spontaneous realization of emptiness in their direct experience. Why should they then go to the trouble of formal refuge? Why need they affiliate or disaffiliate from any institution? They hav...
by Spelare
Tue May 22, 2018 10:46 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

So, from what I understand, wrong view is a barrier to realization, and this is why non-Buddhists are said to be out of luck. However, is it not characteristic of human experience that view, like all thoughts/concepts/mental stances, is intermittent? We may have a deeper felt sense of that wrong vi...
by Spelare
Tue May 22, 2018 10:02 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

So, from what I understand, wrong view is a barrier to realization, and this is why non-Buddhists are said to be out of luck. However, is it not characteristic of human experience that view, like all thoughts/concepts/mental stances, is intermittent? We may have a deeper felt sense of that wrong vie...
by Spelare
Sun May 20, 2018 4:45 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

Virgo wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 4:16 pm
Virgo wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 3:10 pm
invite Rihanna
invite Rihanna = in Vajrayana. Darn phones. :rolling:

Kevin...
I enjoyed that. Thanks for the laugh. I was wondering how Rihanna wandered into this thread . . .
by Spelare
Sat May 19, 2018 1:20 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

So, to be clear, the party line is that every being who has ever been liberated has realized the Dzogchen view (which we could say = Prajñāpāramitā = Mahāmudrā, except in manner of presentation and practice; same result, except for the varieties of rainbow body)? And this regardless of the level of ...
by Spelare
Sat May 19, 2018 11:26 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

That is just not how things work in the bardo. Isn't one's experience of the bardo conditioned by culture and prior training or lack thereof? Since the overwhelming majority of accounts of the bardo are from Tibetan Buddhists (I'm guessing there are also Indian and Bön ones), is it implausible that...
by Spelare
Sat May 19, 2018 3:54 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

What if the "other" to whom you pray liberates you not as a reward for your faith but through revealing to you that you were never really bound? That He is actually the basis of all you have ever experienced? That "you" are a temporary appearance manifesting in, as, and through Him? Hopefully "his"...
by Spelare
Sat May 19, 2018 2:32 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

No one can hand liberation to you. The idea that one can be saved by another is an externalist, eternalist, theistic view. It is not compatible with the Buddha's teachings. What if the "other" to whom you pray liberates you not as a reward for your faith but through revealing to you that you were n...
by Spelare
Thu May 17, 2018 11:25 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 5504
Views: 478212

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

I understand that the Guhyagarbha Tantra is held in especially high regard, and was important in the development of Nyingma practice, but can we get the same benefit from practicing Mahayoga according to a different text, e.g. from the Chokling Tersar? This just means that the Guhyagarbha tantra is...
by Spelare
Wed May 16, 2018 10:03 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

So, why must we insist so strongly on foreclosing the mere possibility of any non-Buddhist being liberated to any degree? One excellent reason might be the fact that the Buddha himself excluded the possibility. How do we determine that this is the definitive meaning, and not a provisional teaching ...
by Spelare
Wed May 16, 2018 9:14 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

There will always be those that believe all religions are paths that lead to the top of the same mountain. :zzz: Yes, damn perennialists! We're all on the same mountain, whether we know it or not. Some are climbing it, and others are circling the base. Some paths are more direct, others gradual, an...
by Spelare
Wed May 16, 2018 6:00 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

As we've seen on more than one occasion, many masters express greater open-mindedness than their disciples towards other traditions. Then their disciples try to explain their openness away by reasoning from ordinary mind's logic: "Oh, they're just being nice. It's just good politics to flatter Chris...
by Spelare
Tue May 15, 2018 10:33 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Trekchod/pointing out instructions
Replies: 18
Views: 862

Re: Trekchod/pointing out instructions

Try the Facebook group Webcasts Buddhist Teachings. It regularly features free livestreams of teachings by respected lamas, including pointing-out instructions by Mahamudra and Dzogchen masters.
by Spelare
Tue May 15, 2018 4:39 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

In the end, why do we give a flying f*&k about any of this? The Buddha was very clear: outside of his Dharmavinaya, the four kinds of āryas— stream entrants, once returners, never returners, and arhats— do not exist. Because we interact with non-Buddhists on a daily basis. So, we have at least thre...
by Spelare
Tue May 15, 2018 12:28 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

In the end, why do we give a flying f*&k about any of this? The Buddha was very clear: outside of his Dharmavinaya, the four kinds of āryas— stream entrants, once returners, never returners, and arhats— do not exist. Because we interact with non-Buddhists on a daily basis. So, we have at least thre...
by Spelare
Tue May 15, 2018 12:19 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

I don't know if the Orthodox churches/countries are better, since they have a greater tradition of institutionalised mysticism. They are better in a lot of ways. Their tendency towards apophaticism, i.e. unsaying or negation, makes them less rigid than the Christian West. They don't have original s...
by Spelare
Tue May 15, 2018 12:06 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

The Dzogchen tantras on the other hand are understood to use the same language rhetorically Fine, but you never answered whether that understanding is in the tantras themselves, in self-commentaries presumably written around the same time or not long after, or in significantly later commentaries. L...
by Spelare
Mon May 14, 2018 11:36 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 296
Views: 6956

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

Ignorance also has a cause in Dzogchen. There are no first causes. And even Samantabhadra possessed ignorance. Okay, thanks. I will look into that and try to clarify it experientially, if possible. If not, I'll at least brush up on my textual knowledge. You are engaged in a top down reading. Fair e...