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by Andrew108
Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:59 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: A Physicalist Theory of Mind
Replies: 254
Views: 17466

Re: A Physicalist Theory of Mind

@smcj. Yes I'm a monist. But just to make it more complicated, I understand both existence and non-existance to be characteristics only. 'Freedom from extremes' is the 'just one'.
by Andrew108
Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:44 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Unreality of Thoughts
Replies: 167
Views: 10027

Re: Unreality of Thoughts

The problem is that students want to find emptiness or at least experience it. But it is impossible to experience emptiness because when you do you are experiencing a 'something' called absence or emptiness. A cup that seems solid is changing from one moment to the next. That change is coming about...
by Andrew108
Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:37 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Unreality of Thoughts
Replies: 167
Views: 10027

Re: Unreality of Thoughts

@ Sherab. I'm not trolling when I post suttas. You can also see that Kalachakra talks about 'space particles'. The point is that emptiness isn't a thing or even a property. It is a concept about lack of own identity. In the same way that equality isn't a thing but a concept concerning the relatednes...
by Andrew108
Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:34 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Unreality of Thoughts
Replies: 167
Views: 10027

Re: Unreality of Thoughts

Andrew is student from Master Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche ? He is a Johnny come lately. And I think he would be rather surprised at ChNN's opinion of the theory of evolution [in other words, he does not believe it]. I think you have misunderstood. It is not necessary to accept everything the tea...
by Andrew108
Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:27 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: A Physicalist Theory of Mind
Replies: 254
Views: 17466

Re: A Physicalist Theory of Mind

When you depersonalize sems what do you get? This is a key point here. I think you are equating sems or citta with just clinging and ignorance. In it's personal aspect then yes, that is what it is, but depersonalized all you can say about citta is that it is 'Presence'. This is also talked about in ...
by Andrew108
Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:00 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Unreality of Thoughts
Replies: 167
Views: 10027

Re: Unreality of Thoughts

So why don't you tell us what 7) has to do with dependent origination? Number 7 is correcting the view that something that is unconditioned can also have an identity. But then in some cases space is seen as being dependently originated in that it depends on a boundary. In other cases where space is...
by Andrew108
Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:34 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: A Physicalist Theory of Mind
Replies: 254
Views: 17466

Re: A Physicalist Theory of Mind

Abhidharma is realist, not materialist. You have been using the term 'materialist' as though it was a bad thing for Buddhists to accept. So bad in fact that if you identify with materialism you might as well not call yourself a Buddhist. But you are wrong. You are wrong because you have mixed up ma...
by Andrew108
Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:16 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: A Physicalist Theory of Mind
Replies: 254
Views: 17466

Re: A Physicalist Theory of Mind

I'm not into Dzogchen, but that sounds like you've missed the point. You might want to review the material. Dzogchen view is pretty out-there. Well, from Kunjed Gyalpo: "The inanimate appearances and the animate beings (of the universe) are the one real condition." There is the idea that objects an...
by Andrew108
Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:32 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Unreality of Thoughts
Replies: 167
Views: 10027

Re: Unreality of Thoughts

All of these emptinesses are the same. Just empty of own identity. It is good to remember that dharmas are not static. They are dynamic and ever changing. So you can never pinpoint emptiness. And that dharmas are always changing is because they have no own identity. So you can see that in practice d...
by Andrew108
Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:39 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: A Physicalist Theory of Mind
Replies: 254
Views: 17466

Re: A Physicalist Theory of Mind

Abhidharma asserts a material objective condition. Substitute consciousness with energy and you are very close to what some materialists posit. Depersonalize consciousness and really what you have is energy. Yes, that is why the Abhidharmika perspective of realism is negated by higher tenet systems...
by Andrew108
Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:40 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Unreality of Thoughts
Replies: 167
Views: 10027

Re: Unreality of Thoughts

Cups are dependently arisen as are their contents. Emptiness is a concept about this dependent nature. Emptiness isn't a property of the cup.
by Andrew108
Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:33 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: A Physicalist Theory of Mind
Replies: 254
Views: 17466

Re: A Physicalist Theory of Mind

Abhidharma asserts a material objective condition. Substitute consciousness with energy and you are very close to what some materialists posit. Depersonalize consciousness and really what you have is energy.
by Andrew108
Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:29 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Unreality of Thoughts
Replies: 167
Views: 10027

Re: Unreality of Thoughts

What emptiness? You are assuming that the cup has emptiness. Emptiness here is a concept you have about objects.
by Andrew108
Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:01 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Unreality of Thoughts
Replies: 167
Views: 10027

Re: Unreality of Thoughts

asunthatneversets wrote:
Andrew108 wrote:I am suggesting that there isn't any thing which has emptiness as a property.
I have no idea when you think emptiness is, but it's become apparent that we're talking about completely different things.
I was replying to Greg. I'm not exactly sure what point he was making but replied nonetheless.
by Andrew108
Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:00 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Unreality of Thoughts
Replies: 167
Views: 10027

Re: Unreality of Thoughts

Sherab Dorje wrote:
Andrew108 wrote:Do you mean a cup which had liquid in it but now does not?
No. See this is one of those instances where emptiness is validly defined as a property, or characteristic.
Sorry? Your point isn't clear.
by Andrew108
Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:15 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Unreality of Thoughts
Replies: 167
Views: 10027

Re: Unreality of Thoughts

Are you suggesting that there are actually things which do not have emptiness as a property? I am suggesting that there isn't any thing which has emptiness as a property. All in all it's impossible to understand emptiness or dependent origination while maintaining a materialist view. Materialism di...
by Andrew108
Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:04 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Unreality of Thoughts
Replies: 167
Views: 10027

Re: Unreality of Thoughts

So let me give you another (and final) example: What is the emptiness of an empty cup dependently originated from? What are its causes? Do you mean a cup which had liquid in it but now does not? If so then the cup is not empty because air is in the cup instead of liquid. So the idea that the cup is...
by Andrew108
Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:09 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: White Ah and Thigle
Replies: 15
Views: 3389

Re: White Ah and Thigle

IMO state in G Y refers to state of non-fixation.
by Andrew108
Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:48 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Unreality of Thoughts
Replies: 167
Views: 10027

Re: Unreality of Thoughts

@ Sherab. Yes I have read the Suttas you referenced and they all confirm that the idea of emptiness is built on the fact of dependent origination - the fact that as hard as you try you can't find a singular root aspect to any thing. Emptiness isn't the root, it is the idea that dependantly originate...
by Andrew108
Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:39 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Unreality of Thoughts
Replies: 167
Views: 10027

Re: Unreality of Thoughts

Actually when you experience dependent origination as how things (material and otherwise) actually are, then you can start to unravel all of those states of mind that are unnecessarily habitual. If you don't connect emptiness to dependent origination, then emptiness becomes a patch or a target. For ...

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