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by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:06 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen
Replies: 139
Views: 4428

Re: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen

Here is the Bon lineage tree. No. 3. is Buddha Tonpa Shenrab.
See how after No. 9 Sangwa Düpa, who is Buddha Shakyamuni, it got forked and went to another lineage. No. 6 in that second lineage is Zhang-Zhung Garab Dorje (possibly same as Buddhist Garab Dorje), master of Manjushrimitra.
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by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:44 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen
Replies: 139
Views: 4428

Re: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen

If the Bonpos had Dzogchen teachings circa 770, why would Trisrong Detsen send a teenager to India to recover them? It does not make any sense whatsoever to make this kind of claim. Because he was Tibetan, not Zhag-Zhung. Dzogchen at that time was in Zhang-Zhung, not in Tibet. Then this pretty much...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:42 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Our Anti-War President
Replies: 97
Views: 5231

Re: Our Anti-War President

Conspiracy theories are birthed in paranoia. With the very same logic, if you label the whole of RT just agitprop as you did, you qualify as a conspiracy theorist. I bet you still believe in Russian meddling ... RT is just an instrument of the Russian Gvt. They are a state run media conglomerate, l...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:31 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen
Replies: 139
Views: 4428

Re: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen

Perhaps Vairotsana received Bön Dzogchen, yet never had any reason to transmit it to anyone else. If the Bonpos had Dzogchen teachings circa 770, why would Trisrong Detsen send a teenager to India to recover them? It does not make any sense whatsoever to make this kind of claim. Because he was Tibe...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:03 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen
Replies: 139
Views: 4428

Re: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen

I have no issue with people saying that Jesus is my lord and savior, likewise, I don't believe it, just as I don't believe that Tonpa Shenrab came to Tibet in the middle of the last ice age. No Bonpo has ever stated that Tonpa Shenrab lived in Tibet, ever. And you should know it. You are just being...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:53 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen
Replies: 139
Views: 4428

Re: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen

He visited both; but was in Zhang-Zhung the majority of the time. The Bön story of his visit to Tibet, was something along the lines of that he was in Tibet for only a short time, and then realized that the people in the Tibetan area of the time were for the most part not ready for Yungdrung Bön, s...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:44 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen
Replies: 139
Views: 4428

Re: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen

Tatpurusa, Bönpo’s do say that Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche visited Tibet for a brief time. No. They say that he visited the kingdom of Zhang-Zhung. This is by no means the same. Tibet might be correct in much later geographical terms, but in historical terms it was the much older kingdom of Zhang-Zhung. ...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:40 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen
Replies: 139
Views: 4428

Re: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen

The bottom line for me, is that I have no issues with anyone stating that Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche existed, or even that he appeared 18,000 years ago. I have no issue with people saying that Jesus is my lord and savior, likewise, I don't believe it, just as I don't believe that Tonpa Shenrab came to T...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:35 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen
Replies: 139
Views: 4428

Re: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen

All Tibetan scripts descend from Gupta era scripts, including Zhang zhung dmar, and while Tonmi Sambhota himself may be a legendary personage, it is pretty clear there was no official writing system in Tibet prior to the 7th century. You seem to be joking here. Someone with your amount of expertise...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:11 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen
Replies: 139
Views: 4428

Re: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen

And yet you choose to express that response on a forum clearly labelled “ A Discussion Forum for Mahayana and Vajrayana BUDDHISM”... :shrug: Yes. Because I remember the flame wars against Bon on e-sangha. There were no flame wars against Bon on E-Sangha. Your memory is faulty. Ahh no? So why did th...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:15 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen
Replies: 139
Views: 4428

Re: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen

I’m not sure I follow your logic. But ..... The logic is, that I just answered a question about Bon and answered to Namdrol that I did not intend to begin a discussion. See here: https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=32716#p515413 But he cannot let it be, just goes on with his mental inertia...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:03 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Our Anti-War President
Replies: 97
Views: 5231

Re: Our Anti-War President

Malcolm wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:32 pm
Conspiracy theories are birthed in paranoia.
With the very same logic, if you label the whole of RT just agitprop as you did, you qualify as a conspiracy theorist.
I bet you still believe in Russian meddling ...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:32 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen
Replies: 139
Views: 4428

Re: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen

Simon E. wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:35 pm
And yet you choose to express that response on a forum clearly labelled “ A Discussion Forum for Mahayana and Vajrayana BUDDHISM”... :shrug:
Yes. Because I remember the flame wars against Bon on e-sangha.
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:28 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Our Anti-War President
Replies: 97
Views: 5231

Re: Our Anti-War President

Another article not worthy reading according to MSM and Malcolm.

Merkel in Moscow: As Trump pushes his weight around, Russia-Germany relations defrost
https://www.rt.com/news/477995-merkel-p ... ng-moscow/
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:20 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen
Replies: 139
Views: 4428

Re: Practical difference between Bön and Nyingma Dzogchen

Yes, they are both authentic in so far as they both produce realization, but Bonpo Dzogchen depends on Buddhist Dzogchen, as in so many other things. Whatever you want. Your opinion on this one for me is not relevant, because I remember all too well of your anti-Bon stance and those stupid wars wit...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:00 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Our Anti-War President
Replies: 97
Views: 5231

Re: Our Anti-War President

The first thing to check on any news report is the source. RT News is questionable at best. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rt-news/ I would say mediabiasfactcheck.com itself is questionable at the most. They were established in 2015 exactly in order to discourage people from reading other sources o...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:58 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Our Anti-War President
Replies: 97
Views: 5231

Re: Our Anti-War President

I would recommend the following interview with Michael Hudson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_H ... economist)

The Saker interviews Michael Hudson
http://thesaker.is/the-saker-interviews ... -hudson-3/

So much about agitprop ...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:42 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Our Anti-War President
Replies: 97
Views: 5231

Re: Our Anti-War President

I prefer Ockham’s razor. Me too. In this concrete case within the article, the simplest and most plausible explanation is the one provided by RT: Iraq and the Middle East people in general do not want and need US troop there (except for Saudi Arabia and other wahhabis). That simple. But this does n...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:25 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Our Anti-War President
Replies: 97
Views: 5231

Re: Our Anti-War President

Russkie agitprop for sure. Well .. at least they write stuff that the US agitprop (aka mainstream media) would never publish. All media are lying .. the only possibility to arrive to the truth is interpolating between all sides. This is only possible if you read different sides, fully knowing that ...
by tatpurusa
Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:10 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Our Anti-War President
Replies: 97
Views: 5231

Re: Our Anti-War President

The first thing to check on any news report is the source. RT News is questionable at best. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rt-news/ Russkie agitprop for sure. Well .. at least they write stuff that the US agitprop (aka mainstream media) would never publish. All media are lying .. the only possibili...

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