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by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:37 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

Come on, you said there is no difference between them. I never suggested that they are separate. We can notice the nature of something, that doesnt mean the appearance and nature are different. Mind and its nature are not different in any way. What is different is whether or not someone knows this....
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:33 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

Khenpo Gangshar: It is very important to distinguish the difference between mind (sem) and awareness (rigpa). The Great Omniscient One said, The elephants pretending to know ati now a days Claim that discursive thinking is awakened mind. Such ignorant people, in their realm of darkness, Are far awa...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:25 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

But these two sentences contradict each other. The difference between sems and sems nyid is a heuristic tool -- and sure, it is a concept, and in the end the two notions refer to the "knowing" in our mindstream in the broadest sense of the word. All the same, in the framework of rushens, etc., ther...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:08 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

TUR (and other Dzogchen masters) would talk about the 5 wisdoms in a Dzogchen context. In some Semde texts, sems is said to "become" ( = be "apprehended" as) Dharmakaya when sems nyid gets seen for what it is. Malcolm would know, and I am not sure, but it seems to me that in Upadesha sems is princi...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:38 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

Coincidentally Malcolm just answered this question on Facebook. I won't quote him directly as he prefers his posts not shared elsewhere, but his answer is in agreement with Heart. And he points out, as he has done here before, that what distinguishes Dzogchen from the path of transformation, includ...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:30 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

Coincidentally Malcolm just answered this question on Facebook. I won't quote him directly as he prefers his posts not shared elsewhere, but his answer is in agreement with Heart. And he points out, as he has done here before, that what distinguishes Dzogchen from the path of transformation, includ...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:07 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

To Josef, That sounds like renunciation no? If so, then renunciation is not putting on robes and shaving heads. This quote is Parting from the Four Attachments. Which is a teaching by Sakya Patriarch Sachen Kunga Nyingpo, and is not a Dzogchen teaching although it is very valuable and profound. It ...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:00 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

At the risk of this turning too abstract to be useful: My inclination is that outside of time isn't really 'existing' (or not existing for that matter), that's the whole thing, time is a characteristic of cyclic existence, or sems if we prefer, but not of enlightenment/the nature of mind. Hence the...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:51 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

Is this why you think Sems isn't confusion? Because Sems is where your "individual progress" manifest. The more clever your thoughts are the more enlightened you become? /magnus Definitely not. I don’t think sems is confusion because it obviously is not. Confusion can be an affliction of the mind b...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:44 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

Coincidentally Malcolm just answered this question on Facebook. I won't quote him directly as he prefers his posts not shared elsewhere, but his answer is in agreement with Heart. And he points out, as he has done here before, that what distinguishes Dzogchen from the path of transformation, includ...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:50 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

And? and, that means that the way liberation is described in the tantras and their commentaries positions Dzogchen as a vehicle that is beyond any notions of accumulations, purification, or any other conventional notions of stages etc that we see in other yanas. Sure there is individual progress bu...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:47 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

So you don't think Sem is confusion? You don't think Rigpa is knowledge? /magnus sems is definitely not confusion. Sems nyid can be obscured by confusion but that doesnt mean that mind itself is confusion. Rigpa is ones knowledge of the basis amongst other things. Please read my quote from the Pear...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:35 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

That’s cool! But let’s talk about merit! Non-Buddhists for example can create merit through Dana but without the aim for enlightenment, so they get better fruit in samsara maybe more wealthy (for example). Maybe off topic, but yes. Merit is relative and connected with positive actions. Bodhicitta e...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:02 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

They are appearances but result from merit. Wondering what isn’t appearance? No, they aren’t the result of merit at all according to Dzogchen. Everything is an appearance in a sense. The kayas are a specific appearance connected with the methodology of Dzogchen. That’s cool! But let’s talk about me...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:45 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

Sambhogakaya is a result of merit in accordance with cause and effect. Compassion and all the good things arise for benefit of sentient beings; that’s how merit created for those enlightened masters. They continue teach for benefits of sentient beings. Not all enlightened masters have rainbow light...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:27 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

Sambhogakaya is a result of merit in accordance with cause and effect. Compassion and all the good things arise for benefit of sentient beings; that’s how merit created for those enlightened masters. They continue teach for benefits of sentient beings. Not all enlightened masters have rainbow light...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:27 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

But in terms of pure. Well if there is isn’t anything there at all, what is pure, compassion, etc coming from? My understanding of that is: Compassion is not separate from emptiness, it manifests when the relative is fully seen from the view of the absolute, but it is not separate thing which is "p...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:15 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

Heh, I have to confess this is exactly why I posted this. There are a few different ways to answer this question and it's a pretty interesting conundrum... It seems we can only answer in dualistic language of one kind or another, no matter how hard we try. Maybe that's sems for ya. In Kongtrul's My...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:05 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

Heh, I have to confess this is exactly why I posted this. There are a few different ways to answer this question and it's a pretty interesting conundrum... It seems we can only answer in dualistic language of one kind or another, no matter how hard we try. Maybe that's sems for ya. In Kongtrul's My...
by Josef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:02 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 5985

Re: sems and rigpa

There is no difference between confusion and knowledge? :smile: /magnus That's not what I said. Ironically though if we look into the connate ignorance and wisdom of the basis there isnt really much of a difference there either. The resolution of ignorance at the ground of liberation is just the sa...

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