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Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:07 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

Tashi delek dear readers, :) Maybe a nice example for a practising Dzochenpa?: :o My view is that of Dzogchen, My meditation practice is that of the Yidam, My personal conduct is that of a Sutra adept. Tokden Drime Yungdrung Rinpoche :bow: Best wishes for our individual practice Kalden Yungdrung Ex...
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Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:39 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

Just a last point on Yidams and Ngondro before I bow out once more ... Jigmed Lingpa (but not only) gave it to me ... The discriminating Intrinsic Self-awareness Which is the essence of the "three (doors) of liberation" Taught by the Victorious one in the Second Turning of the wheel, Is naturally p...
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Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:04 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

No, I don't think not doing Ngondro is the reason. :smile: Anyway some of ChNN's students do Ngondro, like those that reached the higher levels of Santimaha Sangha for example. Like I said it is possibly was an accident waiting to happen. However it makes you think about the point of the traditiona...
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Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:05 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Recommend To Me Your Favorite Dzogchen Book
Replies: 21
Views: 4762

Re: Recommend To Me Your Favorite Dzogchen Book

Another book that I though was amazing is Dilgo Khyentse's Crystal Cave. I've had a chance to look at it when I was in Yeselling (Austrian Ling of DC). It's a actually a collection of various teachings. I think I remember one member of E-Sangha saying it was mind blowing and after reading parts of ...
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Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:53 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

Double post.
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Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:50 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

These last 10 years I have seen several people taking the teaching they got from ChNN and then mixed it with all kind of others traditions and new age things and then putting themselves up as Guru's. Giving direct introduction themselves and taking students. I find this very sad. Maybe it was an ac...
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Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:50 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

... If you talk with any of your teachers I am sure they will explain to you that there is no difference between Dzogchen Guru Yoga (like the Guru yoga in the Longchen Nyinthik Ngondro) and the Guru yoga with a white Ah (that I assume you are referring to as "immediate and spontaneous"). That is no...
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Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:17 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

Well Sönam if you actually followed what is written in this thread you would know that Ngondro is a part of the Dzogchen cycles and it is even written about it in the 18 root Tantras of the instruction section. Where? Was it mentioned in this thread? Other than Khandro Nyingthig which isn't a root ...
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Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:41 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

Like "I will practice Guru yoga because that is real Dzogchen but I will not practice Guru yoga in "Tantric" Ngondro because that is Mahayoga". I think that if one has received Dzogchen instruction then it can be the same, but if one hasn't then it's probably not. Well Pero, to put it to you straig...
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Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:33 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

no, no, no, I never said you cannot practice ngondro, I just say, like ChNN says it too, that ngondro is not a part of Dzogchen ... but if it pleases you for sure you can practice ngondro. As for Guru yoga, there is a difference between guru yoga practiced as a part of ngondro, and the immediate an...
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Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:50 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

Bottom line is that (1) until a certain level of stability in rigpa has been achieved, ordinarily conducive circumstances are also more conducive to the Dzogchen practitioner and that (2) while it's true that in the all-encompassing mandala of the Dzogchen state everything is primordially complete,...
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Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:43 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

Heruka, let me ask you this. What is stopping you from recognizing the natural state while doing prostrations? You think it is the movements of your body or the visualization? The visualizations are only thoughts, is it difficult for you to recognize the natural state when you have thoughts? Is it ...
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Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:26 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

muni has a very real, big heart, very compassionate. :anjali: I won't doubt that but his discourse here is everything but clear and respectful of the tradition. It is demanding, derogatory, sententious and out of topic most of the time. This demand for respect sounded completely out of the blue and...
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Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:48 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

I'm surprize the discussion is still going on, and the arguments are still the same, not the slightest change. There could not be any ngondro with Dzogchen, it's antinomic ... about that there could'nt be a real discussion. And to the question ... when you are not in rigpa what do you do? and why n...
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Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:02 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

but still no one has noticed gterma teaching cycle contains everything, complete to perfect realization, the cycle contains many things, and is excellent indeed, that was never the point.....ever!!!.... dzogchen is not bound by any of them, for if it were it would be based on causality, which it is...
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Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:51 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

Patrul Rinpoche said to his disciple: " Do you see the stars shining above in the sky? Do you hear the dogs barking behind the monastery? Then, how is nature of mind?" "Wordly fame and see your nature, forget it". Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche Thank you internet. You probably have no idea who Nyoshul Lun...
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Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:04 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

:focus: For us that don't read Tibetan there are quite a few translations to English that show the relationship between Dzogchen and Ngondro. http://www.snowlionpub.com/html/product_9433.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; http://www.snowlionpub.com/html/product_9800.html" onclick="...
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:32 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

:focus: For us that don't read Tibetan there are quite a few translations to English that show the relationship between Dzogchen and Ngondro. http://www.snowlionpub.com/html/product_9433.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; http://www.snowlionpub.com/html/product_9800.html" onclick="w...
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:45 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

Yes. Respect for other teachers who are not strictly following same system. That is all. Awareness. Yes, it looks strange, to answer so. How we draw concepts about "others" by handful words. A chain of concepts rolling into a theatre like scenario about what isnt. Ah! So, who are these teachers tha...
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:19 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yidam and Dzogchen
Replies: 721
Views: 56421

Re: Yidam and Dzogchen

muni wrote: Awareness. Awareness. Awareness.
You certainly lack respect for mutsuk and this discussion muni, that response is ridiculous.

/magnus

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