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by futerko
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:11 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: sems and rigpa
Replies: 85
Views: 4452

Re: sems and rigpa

hmm.. where to even start with this one? lol Painting with very broad strokes, I would say that there seems to me to be three various conceptions of infinity, as either; oneness, an infinite time series, or the principle of self-difference. The first idea of Oneness is the Vedic idea of a true Self ...
by futerko
Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:23 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Inconceivable is not a thing.
Replies: 57
Views: 3185

Re: Inconceivable is not a thing.

I view the seventh as the active consciousness here, the six sense bases provide the perfume and the seventh is the one which does the perfuming. Do you have a source for that? It's just my understanding from reading around the subject and from practice, So in regard to the Thirty Verses, 5. Next i...
by futerko
Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:44 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Exercise and weight loss - waste of time?
Replies: 15
Views: 2720

Re: Exercise and weight loss - waste of time?

Hi! Recently I have started pondering engaging in some form of exercise as with time my body has started accumulating fat and now I am the heaviest I have ever been (just 80 kg, but the BMI is getting uncomfortably close to being overweight). However, I have discovered some issues with motivation a...
by futerko
Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:10 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Inconceivable is not a thing.
Replies: 57
Views: 3185

Re: Inconceivable is not a thing.

yes, the 'seeds' of the alaya ripen into the six sense bases, which in turn 'perfume' the alaya. Does the 7th not perfume also? I view the seventh as the active consciousness here, the six sense bases provide the perfume and the seventh is the one which does the perfuming. What I am clarifying here...
by futerko
Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:49 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Inconceivable is not a thing.
Replies: 57
Views: 3185

Re: Inconceivable is not a thing.

In terms of Vashubanhu's explanation, yes, the 'seeds' of the alaya ripen into the six sense bases, which in turn 'perfume' the alaya. What I am clarifying here is that I view the sixth to be designated as merely another sense base, while it is the seventh that is called defiled. For me, this indic...
by futerko
Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:37 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Inconceivable is not a thing.
Replies: 57
Views: 3185

Re: Inconceivable is not a thing.

In terms of Vashubandhu's explanation of the three natures, the alaya is the second, dependent nature which is misperceived due to the first nature of fabrication. So when you say that both sides are 'causes' - it is the conceptuality of the sixth, which becomes the inference of the seventh, in reg...
by futerko
Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:35 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Inconceivable is not a thing.
Replies: 57
Views: 3185

Re: Inconceivable is not a thing.

So the problem seems to be that you have 5 sensory consciousnesses, then the 6th, mano , the mind-base, then you have the term mano duplicated for the 7th (as kliṣṭamanovijñāna it seems, but I'm not going to double down on that if it is not correct) , then the 8th, which gets its own name without m...
by futerko
Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:34 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?
Replies: 157
Views: 8463

Re: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?

Apologize for my words leading to more proliferation. Oh well there is always room in hell for all of us. :lol: When is discussion of Madhyamaka in a subconversation in a thread about tathāgatagarbha anything but neverending prapañca? Now I can join you in hell. :rolleye: :spy: :sage: Actually the ...
by futerko
Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:02 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Inconceivable is not a thing.
Replies: 57
Views: 3185

Re: Inconceivable is not a thing.

It would be interesting to see a commentary on the 30 Verses from another source. Do you know of another Indian or Tibetan commentary? There are at least two models here: the one you describe that is more or less linear, with the Tripitaka sixth consciousness broken down to the sixth, seventh and e...
by futerko
Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:03 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Inconceivable is not a thing.
Replies: 57
Views: 3185

Re: Inconceivable is not a thing.

I've recently been working with Xuangzhang's commentary on Vasubabdhu's 30 Verses. There he explains that the only object of the 7th consciousness when not "transmuted" is the untransmuted 8th consciousness, alaya. From time immemorial, the 7th sees the perpetuation of the 8th as the Self. The Alay...
by futerko
Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:49 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Question about offerings for the Guardians
Replies: 13
Views: 1721

Re: Question about offerings for the Guardians

Rinpoche would mention this (often in open webcasts, so I don't think it is a restricted teaching) "Open webcasts" merely meant that people didn't need to be a registered member of the Dzogchen Community to access them, unlike the closed webcasts. That doesn't mean the contents of those webcasts an...
by futerko
Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:45 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Inconceivable is not a thing.
Replies: 57
Views: 3185

Re: Inconceivable is not a thing.

When lumped together, these impact the seventh, 'afflicted' consciousness, but taken separately they can all be seen to be empty of essence. My understanding is that the 6 consciousnesses impinge on the 8th. The 7th takes the 8th as its object, mistaking the Alaya for self. Are there alternative mo...
by futerko
Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:53 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Question about offerings for the Guardians
Replies: 13
Views: 1721

Re: Question about offerings for the Guardians

The instructions are the practice - offering rupa, shapta, ghande, rasa, sparshe... (form, sound, smell, taste, touch - all that appears) in essence, the ganapuja is offering the natural state to itself. Thank you, futerko. My doubt is what to visualize as each one of them for the Guardians. Which ...
by futerko
Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:50 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?
Replies: 157
Views: 8463

Re: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?

Yes, but Mipham distinguishes between imaginary imputation and dependent nature, so it strikes me here that the oft repeated idea that somehow words fail to impact 'reality' is in fact merely the issue of a conventional view which imputes the physical reality of objects designated. Has this asserti...
by futerko
Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:33 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?
Replies: 157
Views: 8463

Re: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?

Ju Mipham Rinpoche states that we start from relative concepts. Accordingly, we need concepts to bridge from the conceptual to the non-conceptual. So we have the conceptual and non-conceptual ultimate that serves to point beings from being mired in concepts to the non-conceptual ultimate. Or, as th...
by futerko
Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:09 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?
Replies: 157
Views: 8463

Re: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?

Thanks for the clarification... I seem to increasingly encounter people online who attempt to teach some kind of 'perennial philosophy' along the lines of, the ending of mental activity and spoken language reveals the true aspect of phenomena, by which I mean Vimalākṣa's idea of the inferior unders...
by futerko
Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:49 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?
Replies: 157
Views: 8463

Re: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?

I'm currently on transit and my cell phone is cumbersome to type on. Once I am home, I will write why I think we have no disagreement, that I can see at least, and how I agree with the quote from Mipham you offered, and I'll kill two birds with one stone and cite the unsubstantiated quote from Vene...
by futerko
Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:23 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?
Replies: 157
Views: 8463

Re: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?

The point was clear in my first post and every post since. I take the view put forward by Mipham (which derives from Rogzompa and Longchenpa) and which I quoted concerning the lack of any phenomena whatsoever beyond their conceptualisation. This is also consistent with Garfield's interpretation of ...
by futerko
Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:15 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?
Replies: 157
Views: 8463

Re: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?

The point was clear in my first post and every post since. I take the view put forward by Mipham (which derives from Rogzompa and Longchenpa) and which I quoted concerning the lack of any phenomena whatsoever beyond their conceptualisation. This is also consistent with Garfield's interpretation of ...
by futerko
Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:38 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?
Replies: 157
Views: 8463

Re: is the tathagatagarbha true? Opinions?

I am very sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about here and the Dunning–Kruger effect is simply too strong for me to continue. I would recommend you research what the technical vocabulary of "true aspect" means in a Buddhist context before making foolish comments about it, and please le...

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