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by pueraeternus
Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:55 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: Meeting Taiwan's new-age Buddhists
Replies: 61
Views: 6783

Re: Meeting Taiwan's new-age Buddhists

:crying: Negativity, negativity, negativity. Get away from me with that stuff. That's not relevant to the Buddhist path. :buddha1: Unbeneficial, unendearing, and disagreeable. Also assumptive. :juggling: I don't trust you to predict the weather tomorrow, why should I trust you with predictions of f...
by pueraeternus
Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:39 am
Forum: Shingon
Topic: Shingon resources?
Replies: 18
Views: 4562

Re: Shingon resources?

DrLang wrote:Speaking of Mandala Vermont, apparently they have an active Facebook page where they keep their events logged.
Interesting notes on that FB page. Thanks for the tip!
by pueraeternus
Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:39 am
Forum: Discovering Mahayana Buddhism
Topic: Mahayana/Vajrayana Links and Resources
Replies: 426
Views: 42265

Re: Shingon resources?

DrLang wrote:Speaking of Mandala Vermont, apparently they have an active Facebook page where they keep their events logged.
Interesting notes on that FB page. Thanks for the tip!
by pueraeternus
Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:33 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

Virgo wrote:
pueraeternus wrote: Dzogchen practitioner?
You know that Sonam (Serge) is a Dzogchen practitioner.

Kevin
Yes I do know. Which is why I wrote "So am I" after that..
by pueraeternus
Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:52 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

This is not a spin, it's how it's generally examined (causes give effects when conditions, causes are not conditions) ... but if you like to satisfy yourself pretending that Dzogchen is identical to any other yana, fine. Dzogchen practitioners are used to it ... be happy. Oh it is a spin, because i...
by pueraeternus
Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:08 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

Effects depend on causes ... when conditions are present. Causes and conditions are not the same, causes lead to effect, not conditions. There could be conditions without causes. In Di, the master is a condition, not a cause. Even if you want to spin it this way, I can easily apply such "creative a...
by pueraeternus
Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:56 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

If you consider three incalculable eons "easier" Once you reach the 1st bhumi its not so bad. It's certainly easier to get onboard. Don't have to worry about joining your guru in hell if he/she happens to be (tragically) flawed, or the other numerous infractions. But even in the Sravakayana, the pa...
by pueraeternus
Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:05 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

They are actually progressive in the beginning, one builds on the last. Of course, as per all path doctrines, so there is no difference at this stage to other yanas. The difference between sutra and tantra is empowerment. There is no direct introduction in Sutra. There are also important difference...
by pueraeternus
Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:53 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

Sönam wrote: (... and conditions are not causes)
You can say the same thing about all other Buddhist vehicles, including the Sravakayana, since nirvana is also described as noncreated, unborn, etc. The path (marga) never causes the result (nirvana), but merely leads to it.
by pueraeternus
Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:03 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

It is pretty straightforward: you need to have interest, diligence, etc., for direct introduction to be of any real use. If you have interest, diligence, etc., it undoubtedly works. These eight indriyas beginning with sraddha are path dharmas yes? Since this is so, they are necessary for being on a...
by pueraeternus
Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:37 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

Therefore, some may encounter dzogchen teachings and receive DI and realize their true nature after having practiced any of 8 yanas, without any real relation. Others may encounter Dzogchen without having practiced other yanas. Or perhaps that most encounter dzogchen after diligent practice in the ...
by pueraeternus
Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:37 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

A better analogy would be if the Sangha had told Shakyamuni that they couldn't accept the idea of reincarnation because the Hindus subscribed to it. So there was not a blanket rejection of their past the same way we are predisposed to. :offtopic: In this particular case, the mechanics behind rebirt...
by pueraeternus
Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:09 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

What if the direct introduction didn't work? Then you continue practicing sutra and tantra practices Many practices are available to help refine or further reveal the intention of the introduction. Such as the four ting nge 'dzins [contemplations] of sems sde or the sems 'dzins and so on. Hence the...
by pueraeternus
Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:04 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

….but sraddha? This sounds so much like, at best, the most strident strain of Pureland faith, or at worse, evangelical Christianity. It is my personal thesis that our aversion (yes, that kind of aversion) to anything reminiscent of Christianity is a massive handicap to a fruitful Dharma practice. W...
by pueraeternus
Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:12 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

As noted, meeting the teachings depends on meritorious causes. Liberation however does not. Oh I think liberation does depend on meritorious causes, esp when direct introduction ain't working, one still need to do work. Oh you mean those indriyas. But how did you get from that to "Direct introducti...
by pueraeternus
Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:33 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

Could you share a few examples of such ways to introduce beings to Dzogchen when they have never come into contact with it before? This is covered in the teaching call the six liberations, liberation through seeing, hearing, taste, touch, smell and recollection. These are six means to create conduc...
by pueraeternus
Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:37 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

Meeting the path depends on cause and effect, but this was never denied. Wonderful. I think this resolved some queries here. There are all kinds of ways devised to ensure the beings contact with Dzogchen teachings. And the Dzogchen tantras themselves assert that all sentient beings will be liberate...
by pueraeternus
Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:19 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

Yes, of course, there are causes and conditions related to achieving a precious human birth, who ever said otherwise. So ultimately the practice of the path still depends on cause and effect. Successfully introduction to the natural state is akin to the path of seeing, and even after that there is ...
by pueraeternus
Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:02 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

Malcolm wrote:
pueraeternus wrote: So how do one attain this non-dual view?
You receive direct introduction to your own state.
So there is cause and condition to attaining this view?

What if the direct introduction didn't work?
by pueraeternus
Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:13 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals
Replies: 174
Views: 13314

Re: In the KUNJED GYALPO says it is of no use to do rituals

Malcolm wrote:
pueraeternus wrote:
So what is that dependent on?
Whether you have the non-dual view or not.
  • As samsara was abandoned for something else,
    nirvana will not be realized
-- Hevajra Tantra
So how do one attain this non-dual view?

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