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by Rick
Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:17 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

'View' always is conceptual, so the advice to attain right view is actually bad advice. Such a view is necessarily deceptive if one lacks the decisive experience. So you're saying, iiuyc, that establishing right view for oneself involves practice as much as theory. I'd been thinking of it (and I'd ...
by Rick
Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:45 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

I think you may be making " ultimate truth" into an object Rick. Guilty as charged. If not, I'd keep my mouth/mind shut and meditate. But without objectifying the two truths to learn them correctly to establish the right conventional view, the view will be off ... as will all bets for progress alon...
by Rick
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:36 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

What I’m asking is if, per the Madhyamaka two truths interpretation:

Viewing things as empty = dependently arisen is right conventional view
and
Viewing things as non-empty = real from their own side is wrong conventional view

?
by Rick
Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:58 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

What is the view of non-emptiness , i.e. that things exist inherently? That a "thing" is simply a "thing" But what is this named? Is sporting a view of emptiness (there are no real things) named right conventional truth, and of non-emptiness (a thing is just a thing) wrong conventional truth? If so...
by Rick
Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:49 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

Question for the DW MMK Hit Squad:

If <as they say> ultimate truth is the realization of emptiness,
And the view of emptiness is <like all views> conventional truth,
What is the view of non-emptiness, i.e. that things exist inherently?

<<Wrong conventional truth?>>
by Rick
Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:43 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?
Replies: 296
Views: 6803

Re: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?

Oi ... that's alotta cutting and pasting and reformatting!

Which I'll happily do ... IF it's kosher (legal) to post such a long passage in the forum.

Grigoris, what does your moderatorly expertise say about this?
by Rick
Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:15 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?
Replies: 296
Views: 6803

Re: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?

Here's the entire passage: [II.B.3.b.ii.B' .1 '] Proof that Six Grounds of Being, as Believed from Partial Perspectives, are Mistaken Six [claims] concerning the fundamental nature of the original ground are mistaken. What is the fundamental nature of the original, primordial ground of being, before...
by Rick
Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:02 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

Regarding the unanswered questions, I just found this in the Translator's Introduction to Mipham's commentary on Chandrakirti's Madhyamakavatara: "Conversely, the Madhyamika is to be understood as the exploration and systematic expression of the Buddha's silence." If it took the MMK to explicate Bud...
by Rick
Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:20 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

Since everything expressed in the context of communication is necessarily conventional (without convention communication is impossible) the ultimate is necessarily ineffable. It sounds like you’re thinking of ultimate truth as being essentially other than conventional truth. Well, let's talk about ...
by Rick
Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:41 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

It sounds like you’re thinking of ultimate truth as being essentially other than conventional truth. That’s not what ‘seeing the conventional as simply conventional’ means to me. In fact it means pretty much the opposite, something like: The ultimate truth is that there is no ‘transcendent’ ultimat...
by Rick
Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:23 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

I'm using ultimate truth to mean 'seeing the conventional as simply conventional.' There is nothing ineffable about this take of ultimate truth. Since everything expressed in the context of communication is necessarily conventional (without convention communication is impossible) the ultimate is ne...
by Rick
Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:05 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

No, I don’t think so. His primary goal was to help set people unconditionally free, and he regarded most forms of meditation practice as conditioning. And I agree ... but I’m fine with this, because I don’t identify with that which is being conditioned.
by Rick
Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:21 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

I know this question was to Grigoris, but my interpretation of what HHDL is saying is that: phenomena appear, however they are dependantly originated, thus without essence, and beyond elaboration. Phenomena appear, however our minds misapprehend how these things arise and appear. I highly doubt HHD...
by Rick
Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:21 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

Habitual practice is 99% of what matters, though. I've heard this lotsa times from Buddhist teachers and students. I've read the opposite from Krishnamurti, who tended to view any habitual practice as a killer of freedom. And somewhere in the middle from Vedantins, theory and practice go hand in ha...
by Rick
Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:10 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

When I say 'There is no substantially existent self as user/ master of the aggregates' then this is conventional level! Why? Because ultimate level is ineffable. I'm using ultimate truth to mean 'seeing the conventional as simply conventional.' (Merci, Astus.) There is nothing ineffable about this ...
by Rick
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:50 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

Level mismatch! When I culpa myself I am <consciously> speaking from the conventional level where things of all ilk are held to exist, including self's. Actually they are not held to exist, as such. They are held to temporarily arise on the basis of causes and conditions. I know, it is a subtle dif...
by Rick
Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:24 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

Recovering Catholic Syndrome Ditto. It took a long time, with me. I still have sympathy with the idea of higher power. Me too, I'm discovering. I didn't think I did until recently, when I realized that one of the things that attracts me to Advaita Vedanta is my eons-old attraction <and, to some ext...
by Rick
Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:20 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

No culpa! There is no substantially existent self as user/ master of the aggregates. Level mismatch! When I culpa myself I am <consciously> speaking from the conventional level where things of all ilk are held to exist, including self's. You otoh are speaking from the ultimate level, where 'self' i...
by Rick
Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:06 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: The paradox of lack of cognitive dissonance
Replies: 66
Views: 1747

Re: The paradox of lack of cognitive dissonance

How do buddhists who consider Buddhism as a religion avoid cognitive dissonance? To respond to this I have to speculate, since I'm not a Buddhist and I don't view Buddhism as a religion. Maybe the people you are describing divide their engagement with Buddhism into two levels, along the lines of th...
by Rick
Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:22 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2872

Re: One truth?

stevie wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:09 am
... and faith is a phenomenon the thread starter confirmed elsewhere to have an issue with,
Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!

Recovering Catholic Syndrome

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