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by 5heaps
Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:13 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: impermanence
Replies: 113
Views: 11878

Re: impermanence

There can't be a moment of breaking. A cup is either broken or it's not. ok, then the question is, how did it break? if the cup is ended/broken then its not a cup "which is either broken or.." I don't see how that question follows... When not broken, a cup is a cup. When chipped, it's a chipped cup...
by 5heaps
Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:58 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: impermanence
Replies: 113
Views: 11878

Re: impermanence

Quantum physics 101, to use your nose in the air terminology! actually they and others have been saying for a long time that there is a common locus between atoms. then there is the radical mindonly theory where all objects share a common locus with their unique observer The coffee cup is still con...
by 5heaps
Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:16 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: impermanence
Replies: 113
Views: 11878

Re: impermanence

a cup is a produced thing with particular characteristics its defining characteristics are its shape and the function of that shape All of the shapes shown here are different. Which one is the cup? theyre all cups. and if you posted a picture of a giraffe, you would know it is not a cup, since it h...
by 5heaps
Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:20 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: impermanence
Replies: 113
Views: 11878

Re: impermanence

any notion of a cup being a broken cup is a pure fantasy. its just a name. a test for this is that the word 'broken cup' does not refer to any cup, whereas the word 'cup' does refer to a cup Then what would you call a broken cup? it doesnt matter what you call those shards. you call them a broken c...
by 5heaps
Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:14 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: impermanence
Replies: 113
Views: 11878

Re: impermanence

there is nothing that existed in the unbroken cup that doesn't exist in the broken cup. That's because the cup has no intrinsic existence, no final thing that can be called "cupness". that is severely mistaken a cup is not the word 'cup', a cup is what the word refers to ie. physical form that phys...
by 5heaps
Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:34 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: impermanence
Replies: 113
Views: 11878

Re: impermanence

It's still a cup. But now, it's a broken cup. In other words, explain what is the fundamental fdifference between the two then I think you will have your answer. doesnt answer anything, since it doesnt illustrate how the cup broke. also, "broken cup" is not a type of cup. its just a name. Don't all...
by 5heaps
Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:22 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: impermanence
Replies: 113
Views: 11878

Re: impermanence

For him momentary destruction is not externally caused and breaking here is really referring to the momentary causal sequence being blocked from continuing. So, I guess you could understand the breaker as effecting its force on this last moment of the cup to block the causal sequence from continuin...
by 5heaps
Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:22 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: rangtong vs. zhentong
Replies: 75
Views: 12168

Re: rangtong vs. zhentong

"Without dividing the two truths into two kingdoms, they claim that what is apparent is relative truth and what is empty is absolute truth. They say that since those two, the apparent and the empty, are in essence indivisible, they have a single essence but are different conceptual isolates." this ...
by 5heaps
Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:18 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: impermanence
Replies: 113
Views: 11878

Re: impermanence

futerko wrote:
5heaps wrote:when the physical force acts on the material and breaks the cup, is the cup present at the time of its breaking?
If it was absent, it would avoid getting broken.
right. on the other hand, if its present it means it aint broken
so...
by 5heaps
Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:49 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: impermanence
Replies: 113
Views: 11878

Re: impermanence

The cup doesn't "end" when it breaks. It transforms into shards. The cup didn't begin when it was a cup, either. If it is a ceramic cup, it comes from the earth and returns to the earth. a cup can break but not end? thats very absurd, because then the cup would then still exist at the time of the s...
by 5heaps
Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:17 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: impermanence
Replies: 113
Views: 11878

Re: impermanence

i am trying to work out how things end..does anyone have any idea? for example consider a cup which falls off a table and breaks. is it the case that there is a final moment of a cup, in which it breaks, or is it the case that the cup no longer exists during the moment that it breaks? Not easy to d...
by 5heaps
Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:10 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: impermanence
Replies: 113
Views: 11878

Re: impermanence

The cup doesn't "end" when it breaks. It transforms into shards. The cup didn't begin when it was a cup, either. If it is a ceramic cup, it comes from the earth and returns to the earth. a cup can break but not end? thats very absurd, because then the cup would then still exist at the time of the s...
by 5heaps
Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:46 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: rangtong vs. zhentong
Replies: 75
Views: 12168

Re: rangtong vs. zhentong

Do you think Dolpopa thinks the ultimate is related to the relative because it is free of it? yes, because it (the real) is freedom from them and because they can be imputed within its purview. I thought so. In my limited exposure to Dolpopa's shentong this is unrecognisable. Many of your posts ju...
by 5heaps
Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:15 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: impermanence
Replies: 113
Views: 11878

Re: impermanence

according to emptiness its which one?
the cup is there in the final moment as the hardness of the ground makes it break?
or the cup is no longer there in that moment because it breaks?
by 5heaps
Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:04 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: impermanence
Replies: 113
Views: 11878

impermanence

i am trying to work out how things end..does anyone have any idea?
for example consider a cup which falls off a table and breaks.

is it the case that there is a final moment of a cup, in which it breaks,
or is it the case that the cup no longer exists during the moment that it breaks?
by 5heaps
Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:44 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: rangtong vs. zhentong
Replies: 75
Views: 12168

Re: rangtong vs. zhentong

Do you think Dolpopa thinks the ultimate is related to the relative because it is free of it? yes, because it (the real) is freedom from them and because they can be imputed within its purview. do you agree that they are imputed within its purview? if you dont then how do you explain that relative...
by 5heaps
Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:21 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: rangtong vs. zhentong
Replies: 75
Views: 12168

Re: rangtong vs. zhentong

These are just slogans about the relative. What is in contention here is the status of the ultimate in relation to the relative. no its not, and thats what ive been talking about: shentong cant be monism because the relative exists as a false imputation that is not self-sufficiently independent of ...
by 5heaps
Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:06 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: rangtong vs. zhentong
Replies: 75
Views: 12168

Re: rangtong vs. zhentong

For example, arguing that Buddha's are not in some way all "one" because there are many ordinary beings striving and attaining Buddhahood, I don't think carries too much weight. What is helpful then are descriptions about the ultimate. they carry all the weight they need to because relative truths ...
by 5heaps
Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:42 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: rangtong vs. zhentong
Replies: 75
Views: 12168

Re: rangtong vs. zhentong

For example, arguing that Buddha's are not in some way all "one" because there are many ordinary beings striving and attaining Buddhahood, I don't think carries too much weight. What is helpful then are descriptions about the ultimate. they carry all the weight they need to because relative truths ...
by 5heaps
Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:15 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: rangtong vs. zhentong
Replies: 75
Views: 12168

Re: rangtong vs. zhentong

gregkavarnos wrote:The five heaps are false??? :shrug:
yep in shentong they are relative truths and are just false conceptualizations. only ultimate truths are real, therefore the 2 are different at least from this point of view

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