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by Mariusz
Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:08 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yogacara and dzogchen
Replies: 394
Views: 34491

Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

So my assessment is this: If the 8th consciousness that you have mentioned is emptiness from which there is manifestation then the view of Yogacara and Dzogchen are equal. However there are caveats. This emptiness cannot have any time to it. Neither can it act as a cause. And neither can it have an...
by Mariusz
Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:47 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yogacara and dzogchen
Replies: 394
Views: 34491

Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

Ok good. So the sense in which Dzogchen and Yogacara are different depends on whether a genuine difference exists in terms of this understanding about the 8th consciousness. If they have the same view about this 8th consciousness then they would be saying the same thing. Is this a fair assessment? ...
by Mariusz
Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:46 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yogacara and dzogchen
Replies: 394
Views: 34491

Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

I think you mean gyen (rgyan), not gyem. Thanx :thanks: Glossary of DC confirms: gyen ~ rgyan ~ ornament; rolpa ~ rol pa ~ (sambhogakaya-) aspect of energy, a kind of energy of the individual that manifests (only) within our dimension, that which manifests through infinite potentiality, one of the ...
by Mariusz
Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:23 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yogacara and dzogchen
Replies: 394
Views: 34491

Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

The 'power' as mentioned is the cause. That power (intellect) is of the means, and it is stored as seed in the storehouse. prior to the broken of the “Youthful Vase Body”, this power remained as seed (potential). This is in concordance with what I have stated in previous post. Jyoti Of course it is...
by Mariusz
Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:50 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yogacara and dzogchen
Replies: 394
Views: 34491

Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

Whereas dzogchen include more...(...direct introduction and upadesa), those details are actually not that important. Since those details have little to do with practice They are actually cruicial and there is really so many to "practise" with them. If one where to analyse after one revert to the ba...
by Mariusz
Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:30 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yogacara and dzogchen
Replies: 394
Views: 34491

Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

Here you have synthesis on practice of Dzogchen where from the start you have "rigpé tsal wang" and meditation is primordial purity (kadak trekchö) without effort and its spontaneous presence (lhundrup tögal). So they deal even with the first and the second Unenlightenment. "i. Entry Point One’s min...
by Mariusz
Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:14 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yogacara and dzogchen
Replies: 394
Views: 34491

Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

No different here For me the difference is while Yogacara deals with the duality of apprehender and the apprehended only, Dzogchen includes it but also infinite other "things". Of course these "things to be practiced" were far before the duality is started. I mean before the first and the second Un...
by Mariusz
Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:10 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yogacara and dzogchen
Replies: 394
Views: 34491

Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

For comparison here you have a quote from my notes on Longchenpa: The terminology of Dzogchen differs from Cittamatra because the primordial purity (Wyl. Ka-dak) of the Basis (Wyl. Gzhi) and the spontaneous accomplishment (Wyl. Lhun-Grub) of the Appearances of the Basis (Wyl. Gzhi-sNang) transcend t...
by Mariusz
Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:45 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yogacara and dzogchen
Replies: 394
Views: 34491

Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

The intellect (means) also connected to the body, since it is of the reason (vidya) of thusness (body). Jyoti Hi. When you do the delineating of Khorde Rushen in Dzogchen you know what intelelect is very useful for :smile: Obviously not some kind of Yogacara. Considering Dzogchen do not forget to g...
by Mariusz
Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:23 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: transmissions, ngondro, samaya
Replies: 41
Views: 5580

Re: transmissions, ngondro, samaya

Just because all ngondro contain the same elements doesn't mean that you can mix and match those elements as you choose. You are not addressing a point that anyone has suggested. The OP wanted to know if they could change their ngondro practice, for example, and do a different one instead of the on...
by Mariusz
Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:43 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: transmissions, ngondro, samaya
Replies: 41
Views: 5580

Re: transmissions, ngondro, samaya

Nyintig is not the Garab Dorjé lineage of the 3 statements, it's a Vajrayana's terma and a tantric practice. And 3 statements are related to the 3 divisions, Longdé for the 2nd statement ... as to use "any method ...", possibly because it's within the Dzogchen view to use any secondary practice tha...
by Mariusz
Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:26 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: transmissions, ngondro, samaya
Replies: 41
Views: 5580

Re: transmissions, ngondro, samaya

Mmmm, so your saying every Dzogchen practitioner who applys the 3 statements has to practice Longde?! I don't think that's quite right...DI first, then any method that eliminates doubt surly. You can't eliminate doubt with secondary practices. The secondary practices are there to act as fuel for th...
by Mariusz
Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:05 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: transmissions, ngondro, samaya
Replies: 41
Views: 5580

Re: transmissions, ngondro, samaya

Yeah, that's what I was saying, Tulku Urgyen and sons taught/teach like this too. Sonam: Yes, Nyingthig is a Dzogchen term, containing many methods but also always with Trekcho and Togal...including ChNN's own Longsal Nyingthig. Yeah, ok :namaste: Considering the pure dreams of Namkhai Norbu, He sa...
by Mariusz
Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:55 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: transmissions, ngondro, samaya
Replies: 41
Views: 5580

Re: transmissions, ngondro, samaya

Nyintig is not the Garab Dorjé lineage of the 3 statements, it's a Vajrayana's terma and a tantric practice. And 3 statements are related to the 3 divisions, Longdé for the 2nd statement ... as to use "any method ...", possibly because it's within the Dzogchen view to use any secondary practice tha...
by Mariusz
Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:40 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: transmissions, ngondro, samaya
Replies: 41
Views: 5580

Re: transmissions, ngondro, samaya

However, when you take The Three Statements of Garab Dorje (* Direct Introduction * Do not remain in doubt * Integrate into everyday life), the second states if you had Direct Introduction from the master and you are not sure you really recognized Rigpa yet, you should eliminate all your doubts by ...
by Mariusz
Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:56 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: transmissions, ngondro, samaya
Replies: 41
Views: 5580

Re: transmissions, ngondro, samaya

Mariusz, I believe Roman is talking about a Vajrayana ngondro, not the Dzogchen ngondro as described by Malcolm. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks. :namaste: When I'm looking post made by Malcom, he takes only Rushen as the real Ngondro. However, when you take The Three Statements of Garab Dor...
by Mariusz
Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:29 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: transmissions, ngondro, samaya
Replies: 41
Views: 5580

Re: transmissions, ngondro, samaya

Mariusz, I believe Roman is talking about a Vajrayana ngondro, not the Dzogchen ngondro as described by Malcolm. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks. :namaste: When I'm looking post made by Malcom, he takes only Rushen as the real Ngondro. However, when you take The Three Statements of Garab Dor...
by Mariusz
Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:58 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: transmissions, ngondro, samaya
Replies: 41
Views: 5580

Re: transmissions, ngondro, samaya

I agree with pensum that, if you begin a ngondro, you should finish that ngondro before starting another. In my understanding from my Teachers, this has to do with ten-drel and lineage. Not finishing a practice commitment can create a tendency to not finish other practice commitments. (This is refe...
by Mariusz
Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:49 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: transmissions, ngondro, samaya
Replies: 41
Views: 5580

Re: transmissions, ngondro, samaya

:thumbsup: Of course. Because from POV of Dzogchen Ngondro is called the ordinary, and Khordo Rushen is called the extraordinary preliminaries. Nearly nobody get Direct Introduction with the recognizing Rigpa without them. "if one had started a ngondro then one should finish the complete number befo...
by Mariusz
Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:27 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 6382
Views: 591436

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Dudjom Lingpa is another example of a terton who's treasures came from visions. These were more like day-dreams. New treasures appear because, as Malcolm said, when you practice while the terton is alive, you get tremendous blessing energy. So the new treasures refresh the well so to speak. That's ...

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