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by Mariusz
Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:59 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

Except that this is not a Dzogchen teaching and is the type of explanation that is anything but free from limitation. In fact these types of explanation and teaching have more to do with building organizations than with Dzogchen. Huh? Of course it's a Dzogchen teaching. If people are not already bu...
by Mariusz
Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:24 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

"Okay". The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying by SOGYAL RINPOCHE explains what will happen to ordinary people (who did not practise the real Dzogchen, the Dzogchen after the recognition because of Direct Introduction from the master): THE EXPERIENCE OF DEATH, for most people, will simply mean passing...
by Mariusz
Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:46 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

If they were truly pure visions, they would be Sambhogakaya. Whatever you like to believe. I am not going to discuss this further on an open forum. M Of course. As for me I only quoted a openly edited Dzogchen book for all and my note on some non-secret remark from Rinpoche. The definition on first...
by Mariusz
Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:35 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

Simon E. wrote:Words about words about words.

:namaste:
it is my habit since my friendship with madhyamaka :rolling:
by Mariusz
Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:45 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

Now my words are exhausted, but is this the second or third vision? - I get confused. Maybe I am just tired. :smile: I'm not sure if you "confuse" 2 and 3 vision of thogal with 2 i 3 unelightenment (Marigpa)? They are very different terms. Supplementing my notes from the book where the basic terms ...
by Mariusz
Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:28 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

Malcom, can you precise? First you had written on the first and second marigpa of samantabhadra (including the visions): Samantabhadra both possessed igorance (innate ignorance and ignorance that resembles the cause) and once he recognized his own state, he never returned to a state of ignorance. bu...
by Mariusz
Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:33 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

What I wrote in the post above: the 3 visions of thogal are the second Marigpa which can have Samantabhadra and yet return (forth vision). All of them are not third marigpa where is the Mind. Please read Longchen Rabjam, Tulku Thondup: "The Practice of Dzogchen", Snow Lion Publications, 2002, ISBN ...
by Mariusz
Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:27 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

All the manifesting is marigpa. Once you finally resolve the view, there is exhaustion of phenomena. Even the visions of thogal? You know the exhaustion is the forth vision only. Until then, there's no buddhahood for the thogal practitioner. You are on the path until the fourth vision finishes. But...
by Mariusz
Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:55 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

All the manifesting is marigpa. Once you finally resolve the view, there is exhaustion of phenomena. Even the visions of thogal? You know the exhaustion is the forth vision only. No, not at all. Thogal visions are wisdom appearances. Yes, the 8 modes of lhundrup I mentioned and the second Marigpa I...
by Mariusz
Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:48 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

deepbluehum wrote:All the manifesting is marigpa. Once you finally resolve the view, there is exhaustion of phenomena.
Even the visions of thogal? You know the exhaustion is the forth vision only.
by Mariusz
Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:41 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
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Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

For example visions of thogal have nothing to do with the Mind, but it is possible to have breaks for ordinary life activity. "Samantabhadra" is a state of total integration where it is impossble to return to the state of being an ordinary person. Below this level, we have alternating experiences o...
by Mariusz
Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:40 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

Your ribirths in samsara are numerous. Many times you have died and experience bardo of dharmata. In all these bardos of dharmata you have done first and second unelightnment (marigpas) of Samantabhadra but never you were reenlightened with the return. Always you have done the third marigpa until o...
by Mariusz
Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:13 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

Samantabhadra don't have any ignorance, and so he have no mind (sem) either. Sentient beings have mind (sem) and ignorance. I received very elaborate teachings on this over the years. /magnus Samantabhadra had ignorance, but never experienced dualism because he recognized the arising of the basis a...
by Mariusz
Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:14 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
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Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

]When you recognize Rigpa, there is no Mind. However one moment later it arises somehow. It is called Marigpa. Even Samantabhadra can have Marigpa! Please read my notes: http://www.lamrimnotes.webs.com/dzogchen.html . More theory I don't know for sure, I'm a preliminary Dzogchen practitioner only a...
by Mariusz
Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:01 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

What is the tibetan for "reenlightenment"? I don't believe this term actually exists. I will look at book "the practice of dzogchen for it. Perhaps I heard it also from some Rinpoche, so I will check my notes. However the theory of dzogchen is not so linear as mahayana, especially in Nyinthig, and ...
by Mariusz
Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:43 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

Once you overcome ignorance it don't return, just like when you had smallpox you never get it again. /magnus I'm not sure. there is Eight Modes of Arising of Spontaneous Accomplishment (Wyl. Lhun-Grub)beyond the Mind including Samsara again. Only during the last third Marigpa the Mind arises, not d...
by Mariusz
Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:33 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

When you recognize this Rigpa with all qualities, there is no Mind. However one moment later it arises somehow. It is called Marigpa. Even Samantabhadra can have Marigpa! Please read my notes: http://www.lamrimnotes.webs.com/dzogchen.html . More theory I don't know for sure, I'm a preliminary Dzogc...
by Mariusz
Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:20 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

It is certainly very uncommon, but certainly not impossible, that recognition and realization comes at the same time. If that always was the case there would only be one statement from Garab Dorje, right? If you feel you have realization you should approach your Guru and tell him that, it can be a ...
by Mariusz
Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:21 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

Mariusz You don't have to separate. You just have the knowledge. You deal with the consequence of that. You are the consequence of that. There is no realization that arises as a result. Hmmm, you know me better than me :smile: Are you writing on partial recognition, so called glympse? BTW, the term...
by Mariusz
Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:24 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations
Replies: 242
Views: 24904

Re: Dzogchen Teaching is Free From Limitations

It is certainly very uncommon, but certainly not impossible, that recognition and realization comes at the same time. If that always was the case there would only be one statement from Garab Dorje, right? If you feel you have realization you should approach your Guru and tell him that, it can be a ...

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