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by Grigoris
Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:11 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

Crazywisdom wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:53 pm
Consort practice will be difficult in the monasteries.
No it isn't. Consort practice, can be done without a physical consort.
by Grigoris
Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:30 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

This is akin to ChNN's approach where you do not dissolve the manifestation etc. at the end of a sadhana, you dedicate the merit and remain in the natural state. (p.18 of The Garuda Practice). So, although the sadhana is concluded, practice continues seamlessly. That is the perfect scenario, of cou...
by Grigoris
Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:28 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Disagreeing with Guru
Replies: 66
Views: 1723

Re: Disagreeing with Guru

Matthew, given you don't have a guru, I fail to see why you should be concerned. Um I think I do. I’ve been visiting a Karma Kagyu Lama and have received some transmissions from him. And when I do visit him, I considered him my guru. Unless you’re telling me This doesn’t constitute a vajrayana guru...
by Grigoris
Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:22 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Lama Pema Dorje
Replies: 28
Views: 1247

Re: Lama Pema Dorje

dzogchungpa wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:59 am
This list might come in handy although, sadly, several of the teachers mentioned have passed on:
https://github.com/PemaGelek/Dudjom-Tersar
Great resource!
by Grigoris
Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:29 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

Here is the structure at Sravasti Abbey (the page gives more details): 5:00 a.m. Wake up 5:30 a.m. Meditation Practice 7:30 a.m. Breakfast 8:15 a.m. Resident’s Stand-up Meeting 8:30-12:30 p.m. Offering Service 12:30 p.m. Lunch 1:30 p.m. Dishes & break 2:30 p.m. Offering service 4:30 p.m. Study time...
by Grigoris
Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:29 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Disagreeing with Guru
Replies: 66
Views: 1723

Re: Disagreeing with Guru

Matthew, given you don't have a guru, I fail to see why you should be concerned.
by Grigoris
Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:23 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

heart wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:07 pm
Guru Yoga in the DC means resting in the recognition of the natural state.

/magnus
This is what Guru Yoga ultimately means in all Vajrayana traditions. ;)
by Grigoris
Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:17 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

You clearly didn't understand my references to the need for the person, having received DI to work towards having 'no more doubt' and the context of doing so in monastic or lay settings. It was a reference to the 2nd of GD's Statements which I assumed you would understand, but clearly not able to u...
by Grigoris
Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:06 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

Mantrik wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:48 am
Does anyone know whether in monastic life it would be easy to focus on Guruyoga and Dzogchen and treat all the Tantric practice as 'secondary'?
If you think that Tantric practices are one thing and Dzogchen is another then you are severely deluded. And FYI guru yoga is a tantric practice.
by Grigoris
Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:05 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

In his book The Crystal and the Way of Light, Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche renders them as follows: 1. DIRECT INTRODUCTION to the primordial state is transmitted straight away by the master to the disciple. The master always remains in the primordial state, and the presence of the state communica...
by Grigoris
Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:45 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

Mantrik wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:41 am
Grigoris wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:46 am
Was there ever any doubt?
You think GD could have got by with 2 Statements then?
I don't understand your point.
by Grigoris
Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:10 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

Just to expand on this point: Personally I think it would. Having spoken to a few ex-monastics they all said to me that practice (in general) is easier and "better" in a monastic context as there are less distractions and there is a more structured practice setting. An example from my own practice w...
by Grigoris
Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:46 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

Simply that we can't assume monastic life would be a tranquil and supportive environment. Sometimes they get as little time to sit and practise as a lay person with a job. Neither is it guaranteed to be free of anger, attachment etc. (I have spoken to monastics too. ) Well, that is not the info I g...
by Grigoris
Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:37 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

The OP specifically asked about the DC and ChNN's teachings. Ummmm... No. Read the OP and then the subsequent post by the poster. Seems you are assuming there would be a Dzogchen master present in the monastery to give (assuming DI had been given) subsequent practices and guidance as required. Not ...
by Grigoris
Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:30 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West
Replies: 36
Views: 1082

Re: Strategies for Keeping Practice in the West

pemachophel wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:23 pm
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Sadhu! Sadhu! :twothumbsup:
by Grigoris
Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:23 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

I wasn't thinking that ordination would enhance Dzogchen practice... Personally I think it would. Having spoken to a few ex-monastics they all said to me that practice (in general) is easier and "better" in a monastic context as there are less distractions and there is a more structured practice se...
by Grigoris
Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:20 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

I wanted to help, that is all. Maybe it is just me who thinks that attempting to practice two different curriculums from two different transmissions while living as a monastic in a monastic setting might present some potential for confusion. Okay, I get your point now. But one would not need to con...
by Grigoris
Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:17 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

Ordination seems to me to add nothing to the 3 Statements and the process. Fair enough, Nyingmapa monastics since the 8th century seem to disagree with you, but obviously you are welcome to your opinion. Integration into everyday life would not seem easier as you cannot generalise about monastic or...
by Grigoris
Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:56 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

Mantrik wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:51 pm
You know I meant ordination. Yawn..... :roll:
You are going to have to excuse me, my mind reading has been a bit off recently.

So are you now saying that ordination adds zilch? I am having problems understanding your point.
by Grigoris
Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:07 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?
Replies: 85
Views: 1959

Re: Is Monastic Ordination the Better Option for Single Dzogchen Practitioners?

Last time I looked, robes added.........zilch. You mean the last time you were a Vinaya abiding monastic it meant zilch? Being a monastic involves a LOT more than just wearing robes, yah know? ...and if you think wearing robes doesn't add zilch or is insignificant, why don't you take a vow to const...

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