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by Malcolm
Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:37 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: 51 Mental factors vs 80 Indicative Conceptions
Replies: 4
Views: 477

Re: 51 Mental factors vs 80 Indicative Conceptions

Can anyone shed some light on the differences between the Abhidharma's grouping of the 51 mental factors (sems byung) and the 80 indicative conceptions (rang bzhin brgyad cu'i kun rtog) which are referenced in Dzogchen texts? Are they completely different systems, are they related? Any reading reco...
by Malcolm
Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:33 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: What is Dzogchen?
Replies: 77
Views: 6198

Re: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB

Since you disagree that in the final analysis, causes and conditions themselves cannot be found, therefore you are holding the position that in the final analysis that causes and conditions themselves can be found. Therefore causes and conditions are real, not illusions. And because you say that ca...
by Malcolm
Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:16 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: What is Dzogchen?
Replies: 77
Views: 6198

Re: What is Dzogchen?

That’s the problem with Madhyamaka. Yet appearances do appear. Hence the need for Yogacara. I don't think Madhyamaka denies appearances. If I'm not mistaken, it just prefers not to make much in the way of positive assertions about them, sticking instead to reductive statements about them. Maybe we ...
by Malcolm
Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:15 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: What is Dzogchen?
Replies: 77
Views: 6198

Re: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB

Nothing that appears in the relative can be found in the final analysis, including the causes and conditions themselves. Agree? It is the causes and conditions that give rise to appearances. Since the causes and conditions themselves cannot be found, therefore it is accurate to say that there is no...
by Malcolm
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:25 am
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: Tulsi Gabbard
Replies: 65
Views: 3444

Re: Tulsi Gabbard

Malcolm: you said every Trump supporter is "racist" in this thread? No. I said “Everyone who is not a racist is appalled by Trump.” There are many Republicans who are appalled by Trump, but support his policies. On the other hand, all Trump supporters that I personally know are racists and admit it.
by Malcolm
Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:55 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: What is Dzogchen?
Replies: 77
Views: 6198

Re: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB

It is the basis for what? Relative phenomena or ultimate phenomena or both? It is the basis. You can call it the nature of the mind, if you like, thought that is not perfectly accurate. Appearance is Nothing in the final analysis. But Appearance is not Nothing. Therefore, Nothing is Not Nothing See...
by Malcolm
Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:13 am
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: Tulsi Gabbard
Replies: 65
Views: 3444

Re: Tulsi Gabbard

Norwegian, The sheer ignorance and vitriol you display regarding Trump is what's sad. See the things he's accomplished and re-evaluate yourself. ►Move the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. This is not a win. ►Pull the United States out of the Iranian nuclear deal. This is not a win. ►Stand up to...
by Malcolm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:52 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: What is Dzogchen?
Replies: 77
Views: 6198

Re: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB

It is the basis for what? Relative phenomena or ultimate phenomena or both? It is the basis. You can call it the nature of the mind, if you like, thought that is not perfectly accurate. Appearance is Nothing in the final analysis. But Appearance is not Nothing. Therefore, Nothing is Not Nothing See...
by Malcolm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:41 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: What is Dzogchen?
Replies: 77
Views: 6198

Re: What is Dzogchen?

The next person of import is an 11-12th century fellow named Yumo Mikyo Dorje, a master in the Bro lineage of Kalacakra. He is the one who is considered to have elaborated a so called "tantric gzhan stong." What is the difference between "tantric Shentong" and "sutra Shentong"? I've not been able t...
by Malcolm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:06 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: What is Dzogchen?
Replies: 77
Views: 6198

Re: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB

Dzogpa Chenpo is always there to be realized isn't it? So why is there a difference? When Dzogchen is not realized, it is the basis. So ultimate phenomena is the phenomena at the limit of analysis? What is this limit? When you find it, report back to us. Let me guess: the limit of analysis is that ...
by Malcolm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:59 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: What is Dzogchen?
Replies: 77
Views: 6198

Re: What is Dzogchen?

Is there a basis for this view in any scripture? No, in fact. That's what I thought, and seems to be really a pretty basic mistake if I'm understanding correctly, because any phenomenon whatsoever arises via dependent origination. It's not about finding something 'outside' of this process, but rath...
by Malcolm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:49 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: What is Dzogchen?
Replies: 77
Views: 6198

Re: What is Dzogchen?

Seeker12 wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:46 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:08 pm
According to gzhan stong, the ultimate (parinispanna) is empty of all relative phenomena (paratantra and parikalpita), and is utterly distinct from it.
Is there a basis for this view in any scripture?
No, in fact.
by Malcolm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:54 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What is the nature of mind?
Replies: 29
Views: 1716

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Grigoris wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:45 pm
I may agree with one over the other, but that is just my conceptualising and dualising mind playing games.
I will keep that in mind and ignore all of your comments then, since they are just the random mutterings of your mind and are not to be taken seriously on any level.
by Malcolm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:38 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 6947
Views: 735664

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Would it be improper to add the Dogpa from the Short Tun to the Guru Yoga of the White A (w/ Garap Dorje) after the last Song of the Vajra and before the Dedication? thanx! One must transform into a deity in order to do this. But, this is not a problem, per se, since the short thun is actually an a...
by Malcolm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:33 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What is the nature of mind?
Replies: 29
Views: 1716

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

No, it is not merely an opinion. There is an entire Madhyamaka literature which definitively refutes the Yogācāra school in terms of citations and reasoning. And the Catholics have a few things to say about Protestant and Orthodox Christians... :roll: Greg, you are not conversing in good faith. Now...
by Malcolm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:24 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What is the nature of mind?
Replies: 29
Views: 1716

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

According to all Indian Mādhyamikas, if someone's practice is based on the Yogacāra view, the latter will not achieve the path of seeing. That is an opinion, not a fact. An opinion that proved rather dangerous for the Jonangpa. No, it is not merely an opinion. There is an entire Madhyamaka literatu...
by Malcolm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:49 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What is the nature of mind?
Replies: 29
Views: 1716

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

In terms of philosophical positions, this assertion (that self-aware clarity is ultimate) does not go beyond Yogacāra. As a consequence, meditating from a perspective that holds that such self-aware clarity is ultimate leads to rebirth in the formless realms at best. So East Asian Chan and Zen prac...
by Malcolm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:30 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: Tulsi Gabbard
Replies: 65
Views: 3444

Re: Tulsi Gabbard

I want someone who at a gut level cares about people, stands with middle and working classes, understands the gravity of environmental issues, and is ready to go toe-to-toe for the full fight, not just built for quick knockouts. We've got a generational fight, literally for survival on our hands, a...
by Malcolm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:16 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What is the nature of mind?
Replies: 29
Views: 1716

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

This kind of self-awareness is rejected in Dzogchen teachings, since it does not go beyond the level of yogacāra and leads to the formless realms. So , are you saying that Yogachara is not a valid path of liberation and that it only leads to rebirth in the formless realms? In terms of philosophical...
by Malcolm
Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:06 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What is the nature of mind?
Replies: 29
Views: 1716

What is the nature of mind?

So, since you hold clarity as ultimate, how can it cognize or be aware of anything, including itself? So you say nature of mind is not self-aware? How do you reconcile this with Dzogchen? This kind of self-awareness is rejected in Dzogchen teachings, since it does not go beyond the level of yogacār...

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