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by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:04 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11877

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Who denied valid cognition or cause and effect? Not me! You assume wrongly. I merely point out that all of that is relative or conventional “truth “ which is the experience of sentient beings. These things are not established truly at all. Things appear, there are true and false seeming appearances...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:00 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11877

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

You are just adding conceptual elaboration or prapanca to that which is directly experienced by sentient beings, unlike Candra, Nāgārjuna, Buddha, etc., who treat convention on the level of seeming and no analysis of ontological value. No conceptual elaboration, just valid cognition which Buddha wo...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:58 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11877

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Let go of “inherent” which is needless elaboration, not found where you think it is found, TKF. These days there are good, plain English versions of Candra and others, you just need to find them. Malcolm is correct regarding the English word “nature” here. The word, used in these translations in th...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:56 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11877

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Who denied valid cognition or cause and effect? Not me! You assume wrongly. I merely point out that all of that is relative or conventional “truth “ which is the experience of sentient beings. These things are not established truly at all. Things appear, there are true and false seeming appearances...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:52 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11877

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Dude, anybody can prove that the nature of fire is hot and burning by putting their hand in it. No, they cannot prove the nature of fire is hot with such an experiment. Fire and heat are only nominally distinguishable, they cannot be distinguished as separate essences. You're just dealing in intell...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:49 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11877

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Lack of inherent nature, yes, lack of nature, no. Conventionally things have a nature and that nature cannot withstand analysis, of course, because it's a mere appearance to mind and does not exist inherently. It nevertheless is established by valid cognition. The term used by Candra, Bhava, etc., ...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:46 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11877

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

It is so beautiful when opponents refute themselves with the Buddha's word. Firstly, I'm not your opponent. Secondly, Buddha's words require interpretation. All this sutra passage means is those who perceive a nature in entities are mistaken about their real nature. It is not an assertion that ther...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:37 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11877

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

As Chandrakirti says in Guide to the Middle Way: And worldly people’s things exist. Of this line, Candra's autocommentary states: "Since the entities of the worldly are established without analysis , they exist, thus everything is established." The key point here is that the entities that the world...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:04 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11877

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

The idea that things have natures is refuted by Nāgārjuna in the MMK, etc., Bhavaviveka, Candrakīrti, etc., in short by all Madhyamakas. A "non-inherent nature" is a contradiction in terms. The error of mundane, conventionally-valid perception is to believe that entities have natures, when in fact ...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:39 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11877

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Worldly people's experience is not any form of Truth. "Natures" cannot exist, they are merely another conception foisted upon dependent origination. Wordly beings valid cognition is firmly conventional, and therefore false from an ontological POV. Sentient Beings are not Buddhas. There is no such t...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:12 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11877

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

This is quite false. Please provide a citation from Bhavaviveka, Jñānagarbha, etc., which support this absurd claim. It's not false, Svantantrikas assert that phenomena lack true existence (true existence is existing wholly independent of conceptual thought) but they still assert inherent existence...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:49 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11877

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Crypto-svatantrikas Gelugpas are not crypto-Svatantrikas because they assert that phenomena do not exist inherently, whereas Svatantrikas assert inherent existence conventionally. This is quite false. Please provide a citation from Bhavaviveka, Jñānagarbha, etc., which support this absurd claim. It...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:37 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11877

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Crypto-svatantrikas Gelugpas are not crypto-Svatantrikas because they assert that phenomena do not exist inherently, whereas Svatantrikas assert inherent existence conventionally. Phenomena do hold their own nature, but this nature is merely imputed and does not exist ultimately. Things exist as me...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:58 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11877

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

It's actually an affirming negation, reverse extrinsic emptiness, as Khenpo Appey quips. Mipham seems to be saying that there's no such thing as a non-affirming negation. I.e.: Any negation affirms its negandum is there to be ... negandum-ed. So any negation is still just categorized emptiness. The...
by Tsongkhapafan
Fri May 11, 2018 5:40 pm
Forum: Gelug
Topic: Ngawang Lobzang Gyatso
Replies: 21
Views: 3002

Re: Ngawang Lobzang Gyatso

Tashi delek T, Thanks for your replies. Teachings about Dzogchen, that was not outside the Lineage because of the Mind to Mind teachings, received from Guru Rinpoche. The Panchen Lama Losang Chögyan did follow Chag Gya Chenpo, was this an unbroken Lineage ? - What is the Mahamudra Lineage from Gelu...
by Tsongkhapafan
Fri May 11, 2018 12:01 pm
Forum: Gelug
Topic: Ngawang Lobzang Gyatso
Replies: 21
Views: 3002

Re: Ngawang Lobzang Gyatso

Therefore maybe i was misunderstood, but i have always thought the Dalai Lamas were powerful within Gelug, seen that he is able to forbid Gyalpo ceremonies etc. and therefore it sounds strange to me that the Great Fifth was NOT able to setup Dzogchen within the Gelug Tradition. I think it's simple ...
by Tsongkhapafan
Thu May 10, 2018 8:43 am
Forum: Gelug
Topic: Ngawang Lobzang Gyatso
Replies: 21
Views: 3002

Re: Ngawang Lobzang Gyatso

No, there is no record of Tsongkhapa accepting the Dzogchen teachings as valid... This text is in the first volume of Tsongkhapa's collected works, Zhol edition, ppg. 295-314, directly before Tsongkhapa's commentary on the Fifty Verses of Guru Devotion. It is in the same place in all the other coll...
by Tsongkhapafan
Thu May 10, 2018 7:54 am
Forum: Gelug
Topic: Ngawang Lobzang Gyatso
Replies: 21
Views: 3002

Re: Ngawang Lobzang Gyatso

The reason that Dzogchen is not part of the Gelugpa lineage is that Gelugpas follow the teachings of Je Tsongkhapa and Tsongkhapa never taught or practised Dzogchen. To attain enlightenment in the Gelugpa formulation of teachings it is only necessary to practise the lamrim of Sutra and Tantra, in wh...
by Tsongkhapafan
Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:38 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Nechung Kuten Recognizes Yeye Omileye
Replies: 331
Views: 23760

Re: Nechung Kuten Recognizes Yeye Omileye

Indeed the Buddha gives teachings in three ways: directly with his own voice, by blessing, or by permission. Thank you for your reply. I personally do not understand why oracles are necessary, especially if the majority of beings who speak through them are worldly beings. Why seek the advice of a w...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:54 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Nechung Kuten Recognizes Yeye Omileye
Replies: 331
Views: 23760

Re: Nechung Kuten Recognizes Yeye Omileye

Can someone explain coherently and with valid reasons why a Buddha cannot speak through another living being? There is the classic example of the Heart Sutra being delivered by Buddha through Avalokiteshvara, for example. This is an example of Guru Yoga. If a worldly spirit can communicate through a...

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