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by Tsongkhapafan
Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:37 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

I've signed in for the first time in 3 or 4 years for this post, so, you know, I might respond on this thread, but then I sign out again..... 1. It's hard to do Tibetan Madhyamaka without sectarianism, but please try. Agreed, everyone should try. 3. The big point of difference - and what Mipham cri...
by Tsongkhapafan
Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:23 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Jeff H wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:08 pm
That is why I’d like to hear more from FPMT Gelugpas here on DW… and much less sect/tradition bashing. That's my position as nearly as I can express it.
Thanks for your balanced approach. I think it's sad that there aren't more Gelugpas on DW and I think that sect/tradition bashing is pointless.
by Tsongkhapafan
Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:34 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Great, then please explain for us in what sense your interpretation of Gelugpa teachings are "traditional". The point being made here by others is that you represent a minority position not particularly consistent with the historic or contemporary Gelugpa mainstream. Rather than addressing that poi...
by Tsongkhapafan
Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:55 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

now we are getting somewhere. We really aren't. Back to Dharma...... We are talking about the Dharma. We haven't left the topic. Something that can be observed in these recurring debates, TKPF, is that you're very happy bashing Dzogchen on the basis of Tsongkhapa's views (or rather, your reading of...
by Tsongkhapafan
Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:04 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Mantrik wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:57 am
now we are getting somewhere.
We really aren't. Back to Dharma......

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by Tsongkhapafan
Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:11 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

What is in fact a very unconventional thing, is to promote gyalpo practice, a practice which the many who posses the eyes of wisdom have spoken against. You see gyalpo, I see an emanation of Manjushri Je Tsongkhapa. Many who possess the eye of wisdom have spoken in favour of the practice. I could g...
by Tsongkhapafan
Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:16 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

It's fine, I understand that everybody has a fixed view about this. It's unreconcilable.

I guess it's the karma of the tradition, mainly due to the 5th Dalai Lama's sectarian suppression of other traditions.
What goes around comes around, religion and politics should never be mixed.
by Tsongkhapafan
Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:05 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Distinguishing between the political quagmire that people like Pabonkha put modern Gelugpas in and the dharma itself is very important. How can anyone gain realizations by dissing their Root and Lineage Gurus? All Gelugpas are connected to these great Masters who were blameless. They are the source...
by Tsongkhapafan
Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:58 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Distinguishing between the political quagmire that people like Pabonkha put modern Gelugpas in and the dharma itself is very important. I'm sorry, but the modern problems with the Gelugpa lineage are not the fault of great masters like Trijang Rinpoche and Pabongkha Rinpoche but due to modern polit...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:32 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

https://www.wisdompubs.org/book/freedom-extremes Thanks, I saw this book and bought it some time ago but didn't find it to be a very user friendly format as the text is in Tibetan followed by english translation, followed by more Tibetan, followed by more english translation...etc. which makes foll...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:06 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

It was actually a very specific question: How to Gelugpas deal with Mipham? His arguments are very specific, I assume their responses are also very specific. In my experience, the Gelug school doesn't deal with Mipham. He simply isn't studied at an institutional level. For individuals, some try to ...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:56 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

You chose to link the theory under discussion with the actual practices you and others follow as 'method'. I was talking about the teachings on faith, rebirth, karma, love, compassion, bodhichitta, concentration, etc - in other words, the hidden meaning of Buddha's Perfection of Wisdom Sutra. I was...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:52 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

At least we agree on this much. I think we agree on many points, but not generally on the meaning of the profound path. However, that's normal because there is no real controversy concerning the method practices, only concerning the meaning of ultimate truth. Just on one of your method practices th...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:00 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

What cone is saying is that inherent existence is not an object that can be negated because it is like the son of a barren women, what is negated is the erroneous perception of inherent existence. I see, I didn't get that implication. I thought he was saying that the object of negation was existenc...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:14 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Inherent existence is not the object of negation, no matter how you would like it to be.....it’s also not “how people see things,” and perception, whether valid or not, does not prove anything. It is the mental consciousness which elaborates perceptions and misconstrues existence. Okay, that's fine...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:36 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

One does not negate the perceptions of ordinary people; one leads them, through analysis, to understand the things they imagine are real and inherent are illusory and dependent. I totally agree. At least we agree on this much. I think we agree on many points, but not generally on the meaning of the...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:33 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Denying existence is not equivalent to affirming nonexistence, first of all....let’s get that out of the way. Worldly people assume existence. Analaysis is the remedy. Worldly people do not assume a category of “existence” which is conceptually elaborated by scholars. Perception does not prove exis...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:48 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Malcolm wrote:
Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:10 pm

One does not negate the perceptions of ordinary people; one leads them, through analysis, to understand the things they imagine are real and inherent are illusory and dependent.
I totally agree.
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:45 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Denying existence is not equivalent to affirming nonexistence, first of all....let’s get that out of the way. Worldly people assume existence. Analaysis is the remedy. Worldly people do not assume a category of “existence” which is conceptually elaborated by scholars. Perception does not prove exis...
by Tsongkhapafan
Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:42 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka
Replies: 153
Views: 11385

Re: Mipham: Gelug = Svatantrika Madhyamaka

Good folks, you will not persuade a person who will quote, sometimes verbatim, from a single source in response to every point and dare not do otherwise. I guess I 'impute' that every time the plagiarisms of the mummified gyalpo worshipper are quoted, so I may be a little biased because appearance ...

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