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by Spelare
Sun May 20, 2018 4:45 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

Virgo wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 4:16 pm
Virgo wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 3:10 pm
invite Rihanna
invite Rihanna = in Vajrayana. Darn phones. :rolling:

Kevin...
I enjoyed that. Thanks for the laugh. I was wondering how Rihanna wandered into this thread . . .
by Spelare
Sat May 19, 2018 1:20 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

So, to be clear, the party line is that every being who has ever been liberated has realized the Dzogchen view (which we could say = Prajñāpāramitā = Mahāmudrā, except in manner of presentation and practice; same result, except for the varieties of rainbow body)? And this regardless of the level of ...
by Spelare
Sat May 19, 2018 11:26 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

That is just not how things work in the bardo. Isn't one's experience of the bardo conditioned by culture and prior training or lack thereof? Since the overwhelming majority of accounts of the bardo are from Tibetan Buddhists (I'm guessing there are also Indian and Bön ones), is it implausible that...
by Spelare
Sat May 19, 2018 3:54 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

What if the "other" to whom you pray liberates you not as a reward for your faith but through revealing to you that you were never really bound? That He is actually the basis of all you have ever experienced? That "you" are a temporary appearance manifesting in, as, and through Him? Hopefully "his"...
by Spelare
Sat May 19, 2018 2:32 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

No one can hand liberation to you. The idea that one can be saved by another is an externalist, eternalist, theistic view. It is not compatible with the Buddha's teachings. What if the "other" to whom you pray liberates you not as a reward for your faith but through revealing to you that you were n...
by Spelare
Thu May 17, 2018 11:25 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Replies: 7160
Views: 835097

Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

I understand that the Guhyagarbha Tantra is held in especially high regard, and was important in the development of Nyingma practice, but can we get the same benefit from practicing Mahayoga according to a different text, e.g. from the Chokling Tersar? This just means that the Guhyagarbha tantra is...
by Spelare
Wed May 16, 2018 10:03 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

So, why must we insist so strongly on foreclosing the mere possibility of any non-Buddhist being liberated to any degree? One excellent reason might be the fact that the Buddha himself excluded the possibility. How do we determine that this is the definitive meaning, and not a provisional teaching ...
by Spelare
Wed May 16, 2018 9:14 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

There will always be those that believe all religions are paths that lead to the top of the same mountain. :zzz: Yes, damn perennialists! We're all on the same mountain, whether we know it or not. Some are climbing it, and others are circling the base. Some paths are more direct, others gradual, an...
by Spelare
Wed May 16, 2018 6:00 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

As we've seen on more than one occasion, many masters express greater open-mindedness than their disciples towards other traditions. Then their disciples try to explain their openness away by reasoning from ordinary mind's logic: "Oh, they're just being nice. It's just good politics to flatter Chris...
by Spelare
Tue May 15, 2018 10:33 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Trekchod/pointing out instructions
Replies: 26
Views: 4165

Re: Trekchod/pointing out instructions

Try the Facebook group Webcasts Buddhist Teachings. It regularly features free livestreams of teachings by respected lamas, including pointing-out instructions by Mahamudra and Dzogchen masters.
by Spelare
Tue May 15, 2018 4:39 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

In the end, why do we give a flying f*&k about any of this? The Buddha was very clear: outside of his Dharmavinaya, the four kinds of āryas— stream entrants, once returners, never returners, and arhats— do not exist. Because we interact with non-Buddhists on a daily basis. So, we have at least thre...
by Spelare
Tue May 15, 2018 12:28 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

In the end, why do we give a flying f*&k about any of this? The Buddha was very clear: outside of his Dharmavinaya, the four kinds of āryas— stream entrants, once returners, never returners, and arhats— do not exist. Because we interact with non-Buddhists on a daily basis. So, we have at least thre...
by Spelare
Tue May 15, 2018 12:19 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

I don't know if the Orthodox churches/countries are better, since they have a greater tradition of institutionalised mysticism. They are better in a lot of ways. Their tendency towards apophaticism, i.e. unsaying or negation, makes them less rigid than the Christian West. They don't have original s...
by Spelare
Tue May 15, 2018 12:06 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

The Dzogchen tantras on the other hand are understood to use the same language rhetorically Fine, but you never answered whether that understanding is in the tantras themselves, in self-commentaries presumably written around the same time or not long after, or in significantly later commentaries. L...
by Spelare
Mon May 14, 2018 11:36 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

Ignorance also has a cause in Dzogchen. There are no first causes. And even Samantabhadra possessed ignorance. Okay, thanks. I will look into that and try to clarify it experientially, if possible. If not, I'll at least brush up on my textual knowledge. You are engaged in a top down reading. Fair e...
by Spelare
Mon May 14, 2018 11:06 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

There is no first cause in Buddhadharma, including Dzogchen. Suppose we aren't speaking of the entire cosmos, but of the dualistic samsaric perception of an individual. I thought that arose due to ignorance. Or is there a sense in which that is not accurate to say in Dzogchen? I know that samsara i...
by Spelare
Mon May 14, 2018 11:00 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

The nature of mind is giving an exposition to itself, where the retinue is the form kāyas. Therefore we see the personified teacher using the first person singular pronoun "I", as a rhetorical device. My point is precisely that Eckhart uses the first person singular pronoun "I" as a rhetorical devi...
by Spelare
Mon May 14, 2018 10:30 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

Divine light, uncreated, nonconceptual, etc. is standard talk regards to tirthika metaphysics and mysticisms. Pretty remarkable for a medieval German, though, isn't it? But Eckhart went further in deconstructing the very idea of God. He talked about something called "the essence of God": While I ye...
by Spelare
Mon May 14, 2018 9:37 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

Here is an example of what I am talking about. If you read this, don't only scan for specific words that prove this author didn't realize the nature of mind (though you are, of course, free to do that). Try to get a sense of what state he might be trying to communicate to his audience through the sk...
by Spelare
Mon May 14, 2018 8:26 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?
Replies: 443
Views: 34881

Re: Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

Advaita Vedanta is more refined than Christian Gnosticism Really? I think it depends on the particular Christian and the particular Advaitin. The members of a school may agree on some things, but they are not identical; this applies whether we consider theoretical depth, writing style, or level of ...

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