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by futerko
Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:19 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen tantras uncreated and eternal
Replies: 159
Views: 17842

Re: Dzogchen tantras uncreated and eternal

Tantras are not uncreated and eternal, maybe that's what Dzogchen says. But Vajrayana, if you get a correct explanation, never veers from cause and effect. Tantras arise do to conditions, period. According to Nagarjuna, both truths are dependently arisen, so cause and effect leads to the "uncreated...
by futerko
Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:23 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen tantras uncreated and eternal
Replies: 159
Views: 17842

Re: Dzogchen tantras uncreated and eternal

My personal take on this would be to consider something like Pythagorus' theorem. It was true before it was discovered and it expresses something that is necessarily true. It could be said to be timeless and unfabricated.
For me that is the only reading that avoids a dualistic view of the eternal.

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