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by jundo cohen
Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:17 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bliss in Zen (sukha)
Replies: 113
Views: 10397

Re: Bliss in Zen (sukha)

once it has become a "style" to adhere to, or a set of things to not do, it has lost it's original purpose entirely. It's easy to repeat words and forget the meaning. Has always been like that. See this one from Fayan Wenyi (885-958): "But when it came to continuation, their descendants maintained ...
by jundo cohen
Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:57 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bliss in Zen (sukha)
Replies: 113
Views: 10397

Re: Bliss in Zen (sukha)

We all believe Samsara and Nirvana are indivisible etc., it's just that conventional language is necessary sometimes. So really, what you are questioning is my language, and claiming this shows I'm not "getting" some subtle thing about Zen, simply because I'm willing to conventionally use terms whi...
by jundo cohen
Sun Apr 10, 2016 5:01 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bliss in Zen (sukha)
Replies: 113
Views: 10397

Re: Bliss in Zen (sukha)

Links I meant to include on the origin and development of the saying ... A special transmission outside the scriptures; (教外別傳) No dependence upon words and letters; (不立文字) Direct pointing to the human mind; (直指人心) Seeing into one's own nature and attaining Buddhahood. (見性成佛) Griffith Foulk, “Sung Co...
by jundo cohen
Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:07 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Intellectualization
Replies: 89
Views: 7200

Re: Intellectualization

Hello,

I posted this in that thread ...

http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.ph ... 65#p332765

I suppose that it all I would say on the topic.

Gassho, J
by jundo cohen
Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:53 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bliss in Zen (sukha)
Replies: 113
Views: 10397

Re: Bliss in Zen (sukha)

Hi, We are all practicing beautiful and cherished Mahayana traditions, and thus no surprise that so often all express the same teachings. However, small differences can often make all the difference in the world. The folks (other than me) commenting here all seem to be very intelligent, experienced,...
by jundo cohen
Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:57 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bliss in Zen (sukha)
Replies: 113
Views: 10397

Re: Bliss in Zen (sukha)

Hi Johnny, You are correct that I do not know for sure what you know or do not know. After all these years of Zen Practice I have yet to develop the promised ability to "read others minds", especially on the other side of the world. :smile: I am merely pointing out that the things you are saying, an...
by jundo cohen
Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:02 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bliss in Zen (sukha)
Replies: 113
Views: 10397

Re: Bliss in Zen (sukha)

I was involved formally with Zen (as in, at a Zendo) for 5 years, it was not a passing thing, even if I moved on. ... you continually make reference to things which are subtle, but refuse to describe those things and claim they cannot be described. Hi Johnny, You can practice something for many yea...
by jundo cohen
Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:35 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bliss in Zen (sukha)
Replies: 113
Views: 10397

Re: Bliss in Zen (sukha)

Yes, obviously words are not realization. Regardless, we find ourselves here with you quoting people and lecturing about not talking. If this stuff is so, and you have nothing to lecture about, then just stop talking. Ah, it is not about silence (although sometimes it is). It is about how words and...
by jundo cohen
Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:40 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bliss in Zen (sukha)
Replies: 113
Views: 10397

Re: Bliss in Zen (sukha)

It probably means that, in a thread to discuss the "Zen" meaning of something, often less is more, simple is clearer than the complex explanation, a wordless gesture holds all reality, and many things need to be left unsaid and simply experienced. Sorry, but it is so. Otherwise, it is talking about...
by jundo cohen
Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:20 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bliss in Zen (sukha)
Replies: 113
Views: 10397

Re: Bliss in Zen (sukha)

And yet, you managed a big chunk of words in the attempt to tell people how wrong they are, ironic huh? So it sounds more like you don't like or don't get the flavor of the words, rather than having an objection to words and of within themselves, you have done just as much conceptualizing as everyo...
by jundo cohen
Sat Apr 09, 2016 2:24 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bliss in Zen (sukha)
Replies: 113
Views: 10397

Re: Bliss in Zen (sukha)

I find a tangled discussion like this a hindrance to realization. especially in a thread devoted to what is true "in Zen" where such intellectual pursuits are frowned upon as obstruction.** Perhaps I just come from a "keep it simple and stupid" corner of the Mahayana. Otherwise, it becomes like some...
by jundo cohen
Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:25 am
Forum: Soto
Topic: The Perfectly Imperfect Beyond Perfection/Imperfection (Zen) Buddha
Replies: 70
Views: 6981

Re: The Perfectly Imperfect Beyond Perfection/Imperfection (Zen) Buddha

Sherab Dorje wrote: ..

let us at least acknowledge the similarities and help each other progress on our paths.
Hi Sherab Dorje,

There never could be any disagreement on that. :anjali:

Gassho, J
by jundo cohen
Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:14 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bliss in Zen (sukha)
Replies: 113
Views: 10397

Re: Bliss in Zen (sukha)

But I am still struggling to see so much of this as Soto Zen Practice or descriptions to which Soto Zen/Shikantaza folks would relate. Basically, Jundo, what is being said is that there no difference at all between Soto and other Mahāyāna paths, other than words and rhetoric. I'd argue that the end...
by jundo cohen
Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:52 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bliss in Zen (sukha)
Replies: 113
Views: 10397

Re: Bliss in Zen (sukha)

But I am still struggling to see so much of this as Soto Zen Practice or descriptions to which Soto Zen/Shikantaza folks would relate. Sorry, I am trying. Maybe other corners of the Zen world would fit better, I don't know. Maybe some folks in Soto Zen would get it better than me. http://www.natura...
by jundo cohen
Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:42 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bliss in Zen (sukha)
Replies: 113
Views: 10397

Re: Bliss in Zen (sukha)

But I am still struggling to see so much of this as Soto Zen Practice or descriptions to which Soto Zen/Shikantaza folks would relate. Basically, Jundo, what is being said is that there no difference at all between Soto and other Mahāyāna paths, other than words and rhetoric. Hi Malcolm, I am just ...
by jundo cohen
Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:05 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bliss in Zen (sukha)
Replies: 113
Views: 10397

Re: Bliss in Zen (sukha)

Hi, As I posted on the other thread, I believe I understand what folks are trying to say, and some of my misunderstanding has been corrected. I see many parallels as would be expected from two Traditions in the same family, and I know that what is being described is a wonderful and powerful path for...
by jundo cohen
Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:46 pm
Forum: Soto
Topic: The Perfectly Imperfect Beyond Perfection/Imperfection (Zen) Buddha
Replies: 70
Views: 6981

Re: The Perfectly Imperfect Beyond Perfection/Imperfection (Zen) Buddha

Hi, I believe I understand what folks are trying to say, and some of my misunderstanding has been corrected. I see many parallels as would be expected from two Traditions in the same family, and I know that what is being described is a wonderful and powerful path for so many folks. I celebrate that ...
by jundo cohen
Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:06 pm
Forum: Soto
Topic: Dogen and Original Enlightenment (hongaku shiso)
Replies: 16
Views: 1887

Re: Dogen and Original Enlightenment (hongaku shiso)

Thanks for the references, fellas. The obscene interpretations are relatively recent. Post Meiji Restoration and Pre WWII is kind of a bewildering time in Japanese history, and I'm afraid that we're still too close to assess what was really going on. Is OE really the reason some prominent Buddhists...
by jundo cohen
Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:43 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Heart-to-heart Transmission
Replies: 3
Views: 644

Re: Heart-to-heart Transmission

Hi Alex, Perhaps some of the historians here will correct me, and I am not sure of your Teacher's situnation, but it seems a rather standard description for Dharma Transmission. In Japanese and Chinese, the character for heart and mind are the same ... "shin" in Japanese. 心, So, "mind-to-mind" or "h...
by jundo cohen
Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:19 pm
Forum: Soto
Topic: Dogen and Original Enlightenment (hongaku shiso)
Replies: 16
Views: 1887

Re: Dogen and Original Enlightenment (hongaku shiso)

(As you well know, this latter view was sometimes misused in the Buddhist past by some to excuse all manner of conduct). Sorry to interject with a tangent... Is this true? Are there really such examples? I've read these sorts of claims in the context of OE, but I don't recall much more than this pr...