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by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:40 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

"One does not need beliefs for Dzogchen. Just personal experience. " Correct. I stand by all these statements. "Beliefs" belong to lower vehicles. However, Dzogchen sets out to resolve the existential predicament the Buddha pointed out, but without intellectual beliefs. If someo...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:28 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

The thing is, if you start practicing Dzogchen, and keep at it, you are a Buddhadharma practitioner whether you like it or not. Even if you're a Bonpo. 😄
This doesn't mean you need to become a Buddhist first. You don't. But you'll get there eventually. 😉
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:20 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

Malcolm, just for the sake of examples, here’s some quotes taken from the aforementioned series of threads you started here in the Dzogchen Forum circa 2012… from some of these, one could even construct a defense of Yeshi’s controversial statements I would imagine, no? "One does not need belie...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:10 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

and that the DC isn’t directed down a Stephen Batchelor type path ! I don't think that would fly, even inside the DC and I very much doubt that will be the case. This is one of those instances where you ended up with a VERY funky soda instead of pure water inside a very british cup of tea. The cont...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:45 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

Will you guys? And what if he doesn't? Will you go against him? It is not a question of for or against. It is a question of agree or disagree. There have always been people in the DC whose view is basically annihilationist. There are others who stridently insist they are not Buddhists. Still others...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:12 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

Old master had a spoted cat. He used to tie the spoted cat to a tree before doing pujas, because the cat disturbed folks. Old master and the disciples die suddenly. Now students fetched a cat, tied to a tree before doing pujas, as if it was part of the ritual. Spoted cats disappeared from the area....
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:40 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

This is because he never allowed "dzogchen" to be something other than Buddhadharma. Because Dzogchen is always Buddhadharma. That's not an option. Dzogchen cannot be something other than Buddhadharma without stopping being Dzogchen. But Buddhadharma and Buddhism are not the same. Indeed,...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:57 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

Yet, he knew very well how to distinguish the meaning of Dzogchen from the culture surrounding it. He also knew how to adapt to a new culture without destroying Dzogchen, but without letting the culture where it had grown become an obstacle. So, he knew where to touch and where not to touch. So man...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:52 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

ChNN started that, among a few others. ChNN was an utterly traditional teacher. The reason the Tibetan hierarchy became hysterical with him was that he a) negated mythology about Imperial Tibet b) negated the idea that all Tibetan culture and learning came from India and c) that we should not ignor...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:30 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

Btw, I really would like to know, and not because I am just curious. The second the DC is led by a person or persons (whoever they be) who want to "free" Dzogchen of Buddhism, or religion, or antiquated ontologies, or pre-modern practices, etc. I am out, and not looking back. Why? I am mu...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:00 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

The rebirth thing... I think he was probably talking about tulkus and that sort of stuff and then it somehow went off track. This is what I imagine. I have NO CLUE on what went on, really. The tulku business he dealt with as well. As Malcolm said, some senior practitioners who feel very close to Ye...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:48 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

But if he really thinks dzogchen needs to updated for modern times, well, I am personally not that interested. Malcolm, in case nobody told you, you are the personification of this ideal. 😂 It's not changing Dzogchen, but the way it is explained. IMO, it's like a full circle, as I believe it is muc...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:40 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

That’s not really what I meant by “extraordinary.” Anyway, there was a long thread about thus sometime back. I know. I just twisted it a little to fit my idea. Malcolm, I've heard all sorts of things about many people, you included, during the 25 years I've been trying to practice Dharma. One of th...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:33 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

All hearsay aside which is the costum of this forum i really rejoice in this since Chnn was very clear of what he thought of yeshe. Dc people will always talk like this, they do about everything, about yeshe, malcom, elias, igor, the chinese guy...etc Whatever. Ill go and see for myself. Probably, ...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:29 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

Then also about the things that he's said about rebirth and whatnot, I can only assume were some sort of skillful-means; but who knows.... Out of everything, it surprises me most that people got stuck with that particular statement. Well, it is rather hard to ignore it or read it more sympathetical...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:21 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

I wasn’t addressing Yeshe’s reported remarks, just tiny locusts misconceptions. The direct answer to your question is that several people here were party to the famous meeting. I was told that both meetings were quite extraordinary, to put it mildly. As you know so well, ChNN was also considered &q...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:09 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

I wasn’t addressing Yeshe’s reported remarks, just tiny locusts misconceptions. The direct answer to your question is that several people here were party to the famous meeting. I was told that both meetings were quite extraordinary, to put it mildly. As you know so well, ChNN was also considered &q...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:02 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

Ending rebirth in the three realms is not a secondary consideration in Dzogchen, like all teachings of the Buddha, it’s the main point. That’s why it is mentioned over and over again in the 17 tantras, etc. Further, in Buddhadharma, there is no idea of some entity traveling through dimensions, but ...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:50 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Thogal, Visions, Tibetan Sorcery, Siddhis, and Indian Vajrayana
Replies: 52
Views: 6949

Re: Thogal, Visions, Tibetan Sorcery, Siddhis, and Indian Vajrayana

The Nyingmapas still keep Tögal quite secret, the Bönpos teach it to virtually everyone who wants to listen. Is this unfortunate? ChNN thought it was very unfortunate that the Bonpos were so open with theses teachings because misunderstanding them blocks one’s realization. However, we can't go back...
by Dechen Norbu
Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:41 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Yeshi's really back!
Replies: 165
Views: 11359

Re: Yeshi's really back!

[ Out of everything, it surprises me most that people got stuck with that particular statement. Even in the sutra system one of the most famous sutras conveys this meaning in a few succinct sentences (there is no path, no realization etc. - imagine the uproar here if Yeshi said that). Also some tan...

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