Dharma Wheel

Interesting end to this discussion for me. I went to sleep and dreamed that I was spending a lot of time with ChNNR. He was living in the very north of my country and was very available. We where eating together and but I only remember discussing things like "panini" and that Rinpoche wan...

Well if sentient beings had the vidya that recognised the basis they would all be Kuntuzangpo. So what you say might be correct on a very intellectual level but it have very little bearing on our practice. I feel it has monumental bearings on our practice because it means simply recognizing the mer...

As both you and Malcolm mentioned many times there are multiple ways to use the word vidya. In all descriptions I read on how samsara appears it is said that in the basis from the beginning there was neither vidya nor avidya. When Kuntuzangpo recognised the appearance rising from the basis that was...

That vidya couldn't possibly be the vidya we are talking about here. When the rtsal of vidyā gets mixed with the karmavāyu it becomes deluded and takes on the appearance of the mind. The “mind” is just this habitual pattern of non-recognition and ignorance. As both you and Malcolm mentioned many ti...

How could vidya become mind? Mind is avidya. Vimalamitra: As such, knowledge (vidyā, rig pa) itself becomes ignorance (ma rig pa, āvidyā) and nondelusion becomes delusion. [/i] That vidya couldn't possibly be the vidya we are talking about here. When the rtsal of vidyā gets mixed with the karmavāyu...

Of course vidya is not equivalent to the basis, who said that? Vidya is the knowing of the basis and it isn't subject to delusion but mind sure is. Vidya is beyond mind if it wasn't there would be no path and everything would be mind. Vidyā becomes the mind. Vidyā becomes avidyā. It is just the sam...

My only comment is that this doesn't correspond with what I been taught. Also if someone said what you are saying here 10 years ago both you and Malcolm would have laughed out loud. So I stick with what my Guru told me and leave the gradual Dzogchen to you. Even Norbu Rinpoche said vidyā is not equ...

I am sorry Malcolm but since I don't know the context of these teachings it is difficult to understand what Vimalamitra is talking about. I have just repeated what my teacher told me. He never said that vidya needed to be matured and ripened and the above quote don't mention that either. He very cl...

I already answered this. Once you recognised vidya in direct introduction the path is to familiarise yourself with that vidya. Vidya isn't matured or ripened it is only prolonged. And also if you don't get a "fully qualified" experience of vidya during direct introduction then you didn't ...

It's true, never heard that…. Ripening, realizing, until reaching the full-measure, many short-moments, familiarizing, etc.; like Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche having said that even shortly after D.I. (regarding most individuals anyway), most are like an baby abandoned on the battlefield etc. And also like...

I’m saying both are true and intertwined. Ah, helpful clarification, thank you! If I'm understanding you correctly, perhaps one problem people encounter on the path is when they mistake a shallow level of vidyā for the real thing and try to stretch it out horizontally before they go deep enough ver...

It's true, never heard that…. Ripening, realizing, until reaching the full-measure, many short-moments, familiarizing, etc.; like Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche having said that even shortly after D.I. (regarding most individuals anyway), most are like an baby abandoned on the battlefield etc. And also like...

Would it be fair to sum up the discussion as follows: krodha says there is a vertical dimension to vidyā and we can have shallower or deeper levels of it (based on its maturity/ripening), whereas heart is saying that there is only one level of vidyā (no need for ripening), but the horizontal dimens...

I am sorry krodha but my master never said that you need to improve (ripen and mature) vidya you just need to be able to stay longer in vidya. Thats it. Vidyā is matured and ripened by “staying longer in it.” I’m admittedly surprised you’ve never heard of this principle of “ripening” vidyā. It's tr...

It is the same continuum of vidyā, but it is not yet the modality of vidyā as the “knowledge of the essence [snying po] that permeates all which is free of avidyā” as Vimalamitra says. Thus it is akin to an example jñāna. Just like an example jñāna, as the mere clarity of mind, the vidyā of direct ...

I am sorry krodha but my master never said that you need to improve (ripen and mature) vidya you just need to be able to stay longer in vidya. Thats it. Vidyā is matured and ripened by “staying longer in it.” I’m admittedly surprised you’ve never heard of this principle of “ripening” vidyā. I am no...

Unripened just means not fully realised, it doesn't mean that that vidya wasn't fully experienced as you seem to say. It is the same continuum of vidyā, but it is not yet the modality of vidyā as the “knowledge of the essence [snying po] that permeates all which is free of avidyā” as Vimalamitra sa...

I haven't read that book so I can't really comment on that but I never heard direct introduction compared with anything but the fourth empowerment and that is the "true wisdom". It is compared to an example jñāna because it is the same continuum of vidyā from direct introduction to buddha...

When you talk about the dpe'i ye shes, that is according to rywiki: Symbolic wisdom. The wisdom which is the unity of bliss and emptiness of the third empowerment and which is used to introduce the 'true wisdom' of the fourth empowerment. Right, Patrul Rinpoche is saying that the vidyā we are intro...

When you talk about the dpe'i ye shes, that is according to rywiki: Symbolic wisdom. The wisdom which is the unity of bliss and emptiness of the third empowerment and which is used to introduce the 'true wisdom' of the fourth empowerment. Right, Patrul Rinpoche is saying that the vidyā we are intro...