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by Wayfarer
Fri May 10, 2013 6:23 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Resources for Indian/Buddhist Logic?
Replies: 6
Views: 997

Re: Resources for Indian/Buddhist Logic?

The major difference with Aristotlean logic is that Indian logic recognizes 'both is and is not and neither is nor is not'. Aristotle only recognizes is, is not, both and neither. (Don't quote me on the details but I think that is the gist of it.) You will notice these terms from the kinds of argume...
by Wayfarer
Fri May 10, 2013 3:48 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Zen, dhyana, and non-meditation
Replies: 40
Views: 5670

Re: Zen, dhyana, and non-meditation

Right. So why bother getting up before dawn to meditate or taking the trouble to study sutras? Surely just better to open the hand of thought and just go about your daily routine. After all there's nothing special to attain and no 'special state'.
by Wayfarer
Fri May 10, 2013 2:08 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Artificial Intelligence & Sentience
Replies: 61
Views: 6287

Re: Artificial Intelligence & Sentience

Don't the dharma masters say that mind is artifice?
I don't think so. Have you ever noticed how the word 'mind' is used in many Tibetan texts? Usually capitalized, like Mind, or One Mind. Nothing 'artificial' about that.
by Wayfarer
Fri May 10, 2013 1:08 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Artificial Intelligence & Sentience
Replies: 61
Views: 6287

Re: Artificial Intelligence & Sentience

Interesting point about that passage is that HH does not suggest that 'mind' is something that a computer could generate. He speculates that a computer or artificial system might host a mind at some stage in the future.
by Wayfarer
Fri May 10, 2013 12:23 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Artificial Intelligence & Sentience
Replies: 61
Views: 6287

Re: Artificial Intelligence & Sentience

Interesting passage. We will have to 'wait and see' for a looooong time. Maybe some future life. :smile:
by Wayfarer
Thu May 09, 2013 11:16 pm
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Artificial Intelligence & Sentience
Replies: 61
Views: 6287

Re: Artificial Intelligence & Sentience

I suppose, they were just self-replicating organic molecules. But somewhere, along the line "sentience" evolved, and beings now could be "reborn" as organisms on Earth. It is a difficult question for Buddhists, because I don't think a Buddhist wants to side with either the materialist view, which i...
by Wayfarer
Thu May 09, 2013 10:34 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth
Replies: 76
Views: 7582

Re: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth

A computer is a large set of switches. That is all. A human body is a large set of cells. A central nervous system is a large set of neurons... But this is not true, and understanding why it is not true, is critical in understanding what is wrong with reductionist explanations of the human. The poi...
by Wayfarer
Thu May 09, 2013 8:47 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth
Replies: 76
Views: 7582

Re: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth

This is all friggin' papanca. And papanca with an underlying nihilistic bent. Meanwhile some of us have actual sadhanas, ngondro practices, and other instructions from our teachers to fulfil. I certainly have. It's a wonder you have enough time to make comments here. Regardless, they are appreciated.
by Wayfarer
Thu May 09, 2013 7:08 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth
Replies: 76
Views: 7582

Re: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth

You said: Fundamentally, machines and organisms are a variety of chemicals, or molecules, or atomic particles, etc., for example. And I am saying: they're not. This is called 'scientific reductionism' and I am pointing out what is wrong with it. It has nothing to do with my 'not seeing the forest fo...
by Wayfarer
Thu May 09, 2013 6:11 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth
Replies: 76
Views: 7582

Re: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth

machines and organisms are fundamentally different kinds of things. From a particular perspective, sure, but there are other even more fundamental perspectives. Fundamentally, machines and organisms are a variety of chemicals, or molecules, or atomic particles, etc., for example. Rubbish. That view...
by Wayfarer
Thu May 09, 2013 5:27 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth
Replies: 76
Views: 7582

Re: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth

The problem is apparently that you don't understand the subject well enough to communicate your thoughts to the baffled public, or maybe they don't care enough to listen. It's not any shortcoming on my part, I'm a highly paid communications professional with postgraduate qualification in Buddhist s...
by Wayfarer
Thu May 09, 2013 4:36 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth
Replies: 76
Views: 7582

Re: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth

The truth is we are machines, by any definition of the term. But it is simply not true. It might be a myth, or it might be mistake. Or a delusion. But a machine is a manufactured device, which is composed of components, designed for a purpose, and which runs on mechanical or electrical power. A hum...
by Wayfarer
Thu May 09, 2013 4:00 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth
Replies: 76
Views: 7582

Re: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth

If you believe that, why are you posting on a Buddhist forum? You know that Buddhism is not materialist, right? Or do you think the two can be accomodated?

And - why do so many people type 'lol'? Are they machines, or something?
by Wayfarer
Thu May 09, 2013 3:22 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth
Replies: 76
Views: 7582

Re: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth

More scientific fantasy of course, but it seems artificial intelligence is not too far away. Such sentient beings would most likely have an on/off switch, don't you think? If it has a switch, it is a machine, not a being. If it is conscious, it is a being, not a machine. I think it would be immoral...
by Wayfarer
Thu May 09, 2013 3:08 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Zen, dhyana, and non-meditation
Replies: 40
Views: 5670

Re: Zen, dhyana, and non-meditation

Because the Western mind tends to be rather sensationalist, it is often looking for some kind of Wow! experience in relation to meditation. Like 'the world stood still'. I think that does happen, but it is rare. From my experience, which is not at all much, one can enter into some states of samadhi ...
by Wayfarer
Thu May 09, 2013 2:09 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth
Replies: 76
Views: 7582

Re: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth

Do you think if a body was in suspended animation, and came to again, the subject would be saying 'now, where was I...' :smile: Depends on the process (could be instantaneous?), and I guess whether or not the subject knew that they were going to be put into suspended animation. Regarding causal fac...
by Wayfarer
Thu May 09, 2013 1:26 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth
Replies: 76
Views: 7582

Re: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth

It is never the body that is reborn in the first place. The cycle of birth and death is driven by avidya which is the first factor of the chain of origination.
by Wayfarer
Thu May 09, 2013 1:17 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth
Replies: 76
Views: 7582

Re: Cryonic Preservation and Rebirth

But they wouldn't. How could you say they would? A causal factor in the chain of causation, might be an intention - in fact, often is. And an intention is not a physical thing, amy more than a thought. You cannot point to anything anywhere in the objective realm known to sciences and say 'there is a...
by Wayfarer
Thu May 09, 2013 12:46 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bankei on Zen Practice
Replies: 13
Views: 3068

Re: Bankei on Zen Practice

Of course. I don't think there is anything wrong with what Bankei says, but it is easily 'taken out of context'. And the 'context' in this case, is more than just a literary context. It is the context of the Buddhist culture in which it was taught, with the implicit understanding of Buddhist discipl...
by Wayfarer
Thu May 09, 2013 12:20 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Bankei on Zen Practice
Replies: 13
Views: 3068

Re: Bankei on Zen Practice

"To exert yourselves in religious practice, trying to produce enlightenment by doing religious practices and zazen, is all wrong too. There's no difference between the mind of all the buddhas and the Buddha Mind of each one of you. But by wanting to realize enlightenment, you create a duality betwe...

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