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Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:46 pm
by TaTa
Wayfarer wrote:
I think it is more useful and realistic to acknowledge that 'mind' is something that must always escape precise definition, on the basis that such things as definitions depend on mind, rather than vice versa. The instinctively naturalistic approach is always to try and locate phenomena in time and space, but it is the mind which provides that very framework. This is not only the province of Buddhism or paranormal research; philosophers such as Edmund Husserl have made the same point. But getting that point is very much a matter of a change in perspective - like a gestalt shift or something of that nature.
This is very interesting. Thank you. I will keep this in "mind" hehe.

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:44 am
by Justmeagain
Matt J wrote:I don't know about Mahamudra but I am very familiar with the mind-brain issue. However, this is an illusory problem--- for to say the mind creates the brain or the brain creates the mind is to introduce the mind and brain as separate objects, the idea of causation, and many other limitations. I have found that if I am to look closely, I see no boundary wherein the mind is on one side and the brain on the other, or where the mind is here and the universe is there, or where the brain is here and the rest of the world is there.
:good:

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:59 pm
by steve_bakr
The mind is without location. However, it is quite normal to feel that you are looking out from behind your eyes. We, after, all, reside in a body, so to speak. I have had experiences when my mind was somewhere outside of my body. But you cannot function very well in the world that way--i.e. interact with others, drive, or even eat. When I practice, I have the sensation that my mind is in a large area spanning my head and chest, but I cannot locate it. I'd like to suggest that you continue to look for the precise location of your mind and find out there is none.

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:40 am
by monktastic
Though perhaps finding even an imprecise location where your "identity" resides or is roughly located might not be it either... :thinking:

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:37 pm
by White Lotus
its a good day to take an umbrella.

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:00 am
by srivijaya
Calming the mind to settle in the essence of its own awareness requires no location.
"At the still point of destruction
At the centre of the fury"
Sting

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:01 pm
by Kaccāni
catlady2112 wrote: Whenever I try to do mahamudra meditations on exploring, observing and locating the mind, I always see my mind located inside my brain.
Ye Tara and the Medicine Buddha! You can see the inside of your brain?

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:05 pm
by Johnny Dangerous
One thing with this kind of meditation, it seems important to know the difference between non-conceptually experiencing a thing, and "thinking" a thing about the minds location. IME it's been very easy to confuse the two and only good teaching has helped me distinguish them.

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:25 pm
by White Lotus
this is mind, this is enlightenment. this is that is it. :meditate:

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:31 pm
by Berry
One needs a teacher in order to practice Mahamudra. That and relaxing, rather that chasing after discursive thoughts and concepts.

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:56 am
by SpinyNorman
steve_bakr wrote:The mind is without location. However, it is quite normal to feel that you are looking out from behind your eyes. We, after, all, reside in a body, so to speak. I have had experiences when my mind was somewhere outside of my body. But you cannot function very well in the world that way--i.e. interact with others, drive, or even eat. When I practice, I have the sensation that my mind is in a large area spanning my head and chest, but I cannot locate it. I'd like to suggest that you continue to look for the precise location of your mind and find out there is none.
I use to assume that my mind was in my head, I think because this is where most of the sense organs are located. These days I don't think of the mind having a location, it's more like where-ever consciousness extends.

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:05 am
by PierreDeSuis
Mind is certainly located in the body. Its certainly located in the brain. It is wrong to think that mind exists independently. But then there is no exact location of the mind in the brain or the body. Its rather like asking where is a wave. You can see the sea and the wave but there is no fixed location. Mind is like heat from a fire or a wave in water.

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:31 am
by Vasana
PierreDeSuis wrote:Mind is certainly located in the body. Its certainly located in the brain. It is wrong to think that mind exists independently. But then there is no exact location of the mind in the brain or the body. Its rather like asking where is a wave. You can see the sea and the wave but there is no fixed location. Mind is like heat from a fire or a wave in water.
The Jury is still out on neuro-anatomical theories of consciousness. If you are a certain you'll need certain evidence, something I'm not sure exists yet.

Did you hear of the man who is missing 90% of his brain yet still leading a normal life? If mind is found in the brain we can at least rule out 90% of the regular volume for now, which still brings up many issues for our previous assumptions.

http://www.sciencealert.com/a-man-who-l ... sciousness

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:04 am
by Kaccāni
PierreDeSuis wrote:Mind is certainly located in the body. Its certainly located in the brain.
What makes you so certain? :-)

Best
Kc

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:40 pm
by heart
PierreDeSuis wrote:Mind is certainly located in the body. Its certainly located in the brain. It is wrong to think that mind exists independently. But then there is no exact location of the mind in the brain or the body. Its rather like asking where is a wave. You can see the sea and the wave but there is no fixed location. Mind is like heat from a fire or a wave in water.
You are free to think whatever you want, however this idea is not Buddhism.

/magnus

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:10 pm
by Justmeagain
Andrew108 wrote:
Sherab Dorje wrote:
Andrew108 wrote:Actually no. If we used a non-sentient device to measure and map the mountain then we would know that whilst it is true that our sentience is perceiving the representation 'mountain', the mountain itself is not appearing only because of our sentience / perception.
A non sentient device requires a sentient being to construct it and thus will only be able to map characteristics observable to the specific type of sentient being. A camera, for example, is a non sentient device that takes photos of characteristics that are discernible to human eyes, but not necessarily discernible to other beings. Unfortunately what you are proposing is impossible.
All we need to prove is that the mountain has an existence outside of sentience. So the fact that it can be measured by a non-sentient device and has a series of values (height, mass, dimension and so on) mean that it has an existence outside of sentience. Another example would be using a non-sentient device to measure phenomena that don't appear to the senses. I am not denying subjective experience. What I am saying is that it makes no sense to say that 'there is only the subjective since any objective condition is merely an imputed condition that doesn't exist from it's own side'.
Blimey, been trawling through this thread which is great BTW!

I need to respond to this though

A108, I think the point you may be missing here (and I apologise if its been addressed later in the thread) is that nobody would say the mountain doesn't exist. More that it doesn't exist in the way that it appears. The same can be said for the photograph of the mountain, it do exists....but not in the way it appears.

Both appear to exist inherently and as independent entities. They don't of course. So the mountain appears to our mind, (no argument there) but its mode of existence is deceptive.

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:14 pm
by Justmeagain
PierreDeSuis wrote:Mind is certainly located in the body. Its certainly located in the brain. It is wrong to think that mind exists independently. But then there is no exact location of the mind in the brain or the body. Its rather like asking where is a wave. You can see the sea and the wave but there is no fixed location. Mind is like heat from a fire or a wave in water.
So mind is located in the body. But you don't know where.....thats convenient.