Anders wrote: Malcolm wrote:
DesertDweller wrote:Take for instance the issue of recorded empowerments, which I think were deemed acceptable by Garchen Rinpoche.
Um no...this was an example of enthusiastic over reach on the part of some of his students in one center. Many "innovations" happen this way.
I don't pay close attention, but last time i checked the quotes seemed to indicate the contrary.
How was it established it was students overreaching?
Because, in the end, when the Khenpo at the center where those students were making that assertion was pressed on the issue, he would not confirm that this in fact was Garchen Rinpoche's point of view.
Anyway, this is a stupid conversation — you cannot receive empowerments from a recording of an empowerment, period. End of story. Just like you cannot receive monks vows from a recording, and so on. People who think they have received an empowerment from a recording are just deluding themselves and received nothing whatsoever. Even if they recite mantras and practices they think they have received from a recording there will be no benefit whatsoever, in fact the opposite will be the case.
If you want to receive a vow, any vow, you have to do it in the proper way, and receiving them from a recording cannot be construed as proper at all.