does non judgement transcend enlightenment?
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does non judgement transcend enlightenment?
in mahamudra, dzogchen and zen one is encouraged to embrace non judgement. does non judgement go beyond enlightenment?
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Re: does non judgement transcend enlightenment?
Depends on whether people equate distinction/discernment with being judgemental.
The former is critical thinking and valuable , while being judgemental is an affliction.
Not sure i understand the question yet say no to your question.
dave
The former is critical thinking and valuable , while being judgemental is an affliction.
Not sure i understand the question yet say no to your question.
dave
Working with the raw elements (air earth fire water space)is a process of connecting with the external elements and internalizing their qualities.
Ultimately we can merge with the element. We connect the external quality with the internal quality and then dissolve the distinctions.
Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
The essence of the elements is light
ChNN
Ultimately we can merge with the element. We connect the external quality with the internal quality and then dissolve the distinctions.
Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
The essence of the elements is light
ChNN
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Re: does non judgement transcend enlightenment?
thanks dave, enlightenment is complete just as it is, right now. non discrimination complicates what is simple. Its artificial
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.
Re: does non judgement transcend enlightenment?
Not really. Traditions expect prajna or wisdom from their practitioners rather then judging. Judging is good for your survival but useless in deeper understanding of life. so on one level it's okay to judge if not you will not live long really, but if you want realize yourself you need to go deep into phenomena and judging will prevent that because you set wall before the line you need to cross to grasp deeper understanding of life.White Lotus wrote:in mahamudra, dzogchen and zen one is encouraged to embrace non judgement. does non judgement go beyond enlightenment?
Re: does non judgement transcend enlightenment?
Not really, is not necessary to go deep into phenomena to realize your self, you just need to go directly into your self. Not judge ourself first.Saoshun wrote:Not really. Traditions expect prajna or wisdom from their practitioners rather then judging. Judging is good for your survival but useless in deeper understanding of life. so on one level it's okay to judge if not you will not live long really, but if you want realize yourself you need to go deep into phenomena and judging will prevent that because you set wall before the line you need to cross to grasp deeper understanding of life.White Lotus wrote:in mahamudra, dzogchen and zen one is encouraged to embrace non judgement. does non judgement go beyond enlightenment?
dave
Working with the raw elements (air earth fire water space)is a process of connecting with the external elements and internalizing their qualities.
Ultimately we can merge with the element. We connect the external quality with the internal quality and then dissolve the distinctions.
Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
The essence of the elements is light
ChNN
Ultimately we can merge with the element. We connect the external quality with the internal quality and then dissolve the distinctions.
Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
The essence of the elements is light
ChNN
Re: does non judgement transcend enlightenment?
Phenomena and yourself are not separable so you can not go directly to yourself the way you describing it. You need wisdom to penetrate the phenomena first. Even Hui Neng penetrate first phenomena first before attaining full realization.
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Re: does non judgement transcend enlightenment?
i have no nature, but am all things except myself. i am awake.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.
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Re: does non judgement transcend enlightenment?
i have no nature, there is only buddha nature. no seer, only seen. no person, only observed observing. is there any need to talk about these things? absolutely none. how can i improve what is already perfect. why do we teach buddhas? in order that they may know they are buddhas. this.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.