Resources for Indian/Buddhist Logic?

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Resources for Indian/Buddhist Logic?

Post by LionelChen » Fri May 10, 2013 5:56 am

So in my quest for understanding, i've decided to undertaken the arduous task of studying Indian/Buddhist logic.

Except i'm not quite sure where to begin...even in a comparative sense.

Formal logic systems were never really that popular in my own culture. The historian of science, Joseph Needham, once said that
The Chinese were always more interested in the truth on which assumptions were based than on the verbal machinery for developing those assumptions. Explicit logic did not therefore have that continuously sustained interest which it received in the West.
That was from his work "Science and Civilization in China," volume VII; 1: xviii for those who are looking for sources.

He's a little inaccurate in the statement he makes, the Mohist schools of thought as well as the school of Names and some parts of Zhuangzi's work deal with linguistics and logic. But it was never really a sustained discipline.

You can see that trend in the manner in which a lot of texts were written. Arguments were often made by means of analogy.

So while i have i guess, a "second-hand" knowledge of Aristotlean logic - its not a subject matter that has come rather easy to me.

Any suggestions as to where to start would be most appreciated. :twothumbsup:

And for the Ponderous Academic portion for the thread; Is there much of a difference between Indian and Aristotlean logic? Any arguments/objections considered valid in one system but not the other? Any paradoxes ignored?

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Re: Resources for Indian/Buddhist Logic?

Post by Wayfarer » Fri May 10, 2013 6:23 am

The major difference with Aristotlean logic is that Indian logic recognizes 'both is and is not and neither is nor is not'. Aristotle only recognizes is, is not, both and neither. (Don't quote me on the details but I think that is the gist of it.) You will notice these terms from the kinds of arguments that are regarded as 'inadmissable' like 'does the universe have a beginning'.

There was a Russian scholar by the name of Th Schterbatsky who wrote a two-volume book on Buddhist logic. I think it is regarded as a bit out-dated but it contains a lot of cross-references to Western philosophy. It's around as a e-book at no cost.

A good current title is Recognizing Reality by Georges Dreyfuss. It has a very detailed discussion of Tibetan interpretations of Dharmakirti.
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Re: Resources for Indian/Buddhist Logic?

Post by Michael_Dorfman » Fri May 10, 2013 10:53 am

That's a huge, vague question, but I would say that for Indian logic in general, look at the works of B.K. Matilal and Jonardon Ganeri; for specifically Buddhist logic, I'd look at the large secondary literature on Dharmakīrti to begin with-- Tom Tillemanns and John Dunne probably wouldn't be bad places to start.

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Re: Resources for Indian/Buddhist Logic?

Post by Huseng » Fri May 10, 2013 12:33 pm

Outlines of Indian Philosophy by Jadunath Sinha is a good start.

Pilgrims Publishing published it. It is a tidy though somewhat long introduction to classical Indian thought.

For something simpler see A Very Short Introduction to Indian Philosophy by Sue Hamilton. This is worth reading as an introduction actually as it assumes a general readership.

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Re: Resources for Indian/Buddhist Logic?

Post by LionelChen » Fri May 10, 2013 6:34 pm

Thank you for your suggestions!

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Re: Resources for Indian/Buddhist Logic?

Post by LionelChen » Mon May 13, 2013 6:11 pm

By a rather generous donation from a friend, I shall be coming into possession of a copy of Debate in Tibetan Buddhism, which apparently is a translation of "Collected Topics of Valid Cognition."

I am rather excited, but it also made me a little curious. It makes sense given the exegetical nature of the Gelug tradition that a priority should be placed on the mechanics of debate and investigation. Are there any other schools around with their own "training manuals" if you will in the subject of logic and argumentation?

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