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HandsomeMonkeyking
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chinese ming dynasty book

Post by HandsomeMonkeyking » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:57 am

A book appeared online from the Ming dynasty (1428), written in Chinese script but seems like describing buddhism from the Tibetan tradition.
It might be interesting for people here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B59W0k ... pFOTA/view

Additionally I would be interested to learn more about this Tibetan-Chinese connection, what this form of buddhism is called, how the transmission went, and other interesting things.

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Re: chinese mind dynasty book

Post by Coëmgenu » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:23 pm

It could also be esoteric Cundī veneration, or preserved Tángmì in general, if it is "Chinese" but "looks Tibetan(-ish)". I can't read the writing, though, or identify the Indic character in the middle. Outrightly presentationally 'vajrayāna' Buddhism(s) experienced a bit of a flourishing in China during the Táng before falling out of practice.

That some of it would linger until the Míng wouldn't be surprising.

Maybe it's that?
並畢竟空。並如來藏。並實相。非三 而三三而不三。非合非散而合而散。非非合非非散。不可一異而一異。
All three truths are ultimately empty, all are tathāgatagarbha, all are true aspect. Not three, they are three; three, they are not three. Neither combined nor separated, neither uncombined nor unseparated. Neither same nor different, yet in a sense same, and in a sense different.

夫三諦者。 天然之性徳也。 中諦者。 統一切法。 眞諦者。 泯一切法。 俗諦者。 立一切法。
The three truths. Heaven-sent natural characteristics. The middle truth unifies all dharmas. The ultimate truth demolishes all dharmas. The conventional truth establishes all dharmas.

摩訶止観始終心要Móhēzhǐguān, Shǐzhōngxīnyào.

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Re: chinese mind dynasty book

Post by HandsomeMonkeyking » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:23 pm

Coëmgenu wrote:It could also be esoteric Cundī veneration, or preserved Tángmì in general, if it is "Chinese" but "looks Tibetan(-ish)". I can't read the writing, though, or identify the Indic character in the middle. Outrightly presentationally 'vajrayāna' Buddhism(s) experienced a bit of a flourishing in China during the Táng before falling out of practice.

That some of it would linger until the Míng wouldn't be surprising.

Maybe it's that?
Is there some book describing Vajrayana in China? I would be interested in learning more about this.


Also the link I posted shows a book with some hundred pages, its not just the image I posted (as an example)

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Re: chinese mind dynasty book

Post by ItsRaining » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:57 pm

From what I got after googling this in Chinese. Apparently this text was either translated during the Ming Dynasty Buddhist Master Zhi Guang but it is also now believed to be either written or heavily edited by Zhi Guang due to it's inclusion of Daoist concepts and gods.

Zhi Guang is recorded to have been a student of an Indian Buddhist Master who at the time lived at the capital (Bei Jing) where I assume he learnt sanskrit as the Emperor Zhu Yuan Zhang ordered him to translate "Bodhisattva Precepts for the Four Audiences (Bikkus, Bikkunis, Female Male Lay People). The Emperor later aslo sent him to Nepal, India and Tibet as part of a group of Ambassadors.

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Re: chinese ming dynasty book

Post by humble.student » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:03 am

This is a beautifully written and illustrated book, preserved in the Palace Museum in Taipei. There has been some research done on it, and one article states that it comes from the Achali religion of Yunnan. See here for (slightly) more details on the latter: http://tibeto-logic.blogspot.com/2016/1 ... unnan.html

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Re: chinese ming dynasty book

Post by HandsomeMonkeyking » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:20 pm

Thanks for that info! :consoling:

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Re: chinese ming dynasty book

Post by tingdzin » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:10 am

HandsomeMonkeyking wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:23 pm
Is there some book describing Vajrayana in China?
If you can borrow it from a library, Robert Orzech's "Esoteric Buddhism and the Tantras in East Asia" can tell you everything you want to know and more.

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Re: chinese ming dynasty book

Post by humble.student » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:57 am

In no particular order, the following books and articles will help give a better idea of Tantrism in China.

Chou Yi-liang: Tantrism in China
Michel Strickmann: Mantras and Mandarins
Robert Sharf: Appendix 1: ‘On Esoteric Buddhism in China’, in: Coming to Terms with Chinese Buddhism.
Charles Orzech: ‘Seeing Chen-yen Buddhism: scholarship and the Vajrayana in China’
Richard McBride: “IS THERE REALLY “ESOTERIC” BUDDHISM?”
Richard K. Payne: Tantric Buddhism in East Asia
Orzech et al eds.: Esoteric Buddhism and the Tantras in East Asia
Yael Bentor ed.: Chinese and Tibetan Esoteric Buddhism

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