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Tobacco

Post by Tiago Simões » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:31 pm

I know perfectly well the harm of tobacco, spiritually, health wise and socially. I know the advice of terma revealers, and other sages. But just like the man who went to the Buddha, because he found being generous very hard, I also ask for practices to help maintain non-smoking.

Beginning is easy, but over time the motivation disminices, and smoking a cig doesn't seem that bad, so I need a practice to maintain that state.
Then, the Licchavi Vimalakīrti spoke to the elder Śāriputra and the great disciples: “Reverends, eat of the food of the Tathāgata! It is ambrosia perfumed by the great compassion. But do not fix your minds in narrow-minded attitudes, lest you be unable to receive its gift.”

- Chapter 9, The Feast Brought by the Emanated Incarnation
The Noble Mahāyāna Sūtra “The Teaching of Vimalakīrti”

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Post by binocular » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:40 pm

E.g.: Spend time with people who don't smoke.

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Re: Tobacco

Post by Tiago Simões » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:46 pm

binocular wrote:E.g.: Spend time with people who don't smoke.
That is almost Impossible right now.
Then, the Licchavi Vimalakīrti spoke to the elder Śāriputra and the great disciples: “Reverends, eat of the food of the Tathāgata! It is ambrosia perfumed by the great compassion. But do not fix your minds in narrow-minded attitudes, lest you be unable to receive its gift.”

- Chapter 9, The Feast Brought by the Emanated Incarnation
The Noble Mahāyāna Sūtra “The Teaching of Vimalakīrti”

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Re: Tobacco

Post by binocular » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:52 pm

tiagolps wrote:That is almost Impossible right now.
Why? Is that you don't know any such people?

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Post by Tiago Simões » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:59 pm

binocular wrote:
tiagolps wrote:That is almost Impossible right now.
Why? Is that you don't know any such people?
Because my gf and her family are all smokers, in my class there are smokers, my good friend neighbour is a smoker "also trying to stop, but failing". Running away from smokers is useless, I would rather an inner practice.
Then, the Licchavi Vimalakīrti spoke to the elder Śāriputra and the great disciples: “Reverends, eat of the food of the Tathāgata! It is ambrosia perfumed by the great compassion. But do not fix your minds in narrow-minded attitudes, lest you be unable to receive its gift.”

- Chapter 9, The Feast Brought by the Emanated Incarnation
The Noble Mahāyāna Sūtra “The Teaching of Vimalakīrti”

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Re: Tobacco

Post by IVANANEBO » Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:17 pm

If you struggle, its not your time to quit.
When time comes, you Will not need cigs any more.

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Post by Miroku » Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:21 pm

AFAIK the best thing is to take a vow. But even then it is hard. Maybe have something to remind you of why you stopped smoking and that you have a vow. Try to turn your mind to dharma everytime you feel the need to smoke. Maybe .... not sure :smile: . But I wish you best of luck. If you fail don't beat yourself too much. Just take the vow again and purify the misdeed and strenghten your resolution not to smoke. Try to use advice that is given to alcoholics. Like take it day by day and rejoice for every day without a smoke. This helped me alot when I struggled with alcohol. :)
A boat delivers you to the other riverbank.
A needle stitches up your clothes.
A horse takes you where you want to go.
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Re: Tobacco

Post by IVANANEBO » Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:23 pm

Dont torture yourself to become some better version of who you are. You are fine. When right circumstances Will come, smoking Will become so repulsive to you and you Will not need it. Just keep on practicionig what ever you can, all Will be fine.

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Re: Tobacco

Post by IVANANEBO » Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:46 pm

One more thing. If you dont know what to do with your hands, take mala and put mind on mantra :smile:

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Re: Tobacco

Post by justsit » Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:50 pm

Some people find it helpful to link the urge to smoke with something unpleasant.

Say you want a cigarette? Go lick an ashtray (used, not clean). That will usually kill the urge.

Remember the stinking hair and clothes? Take deep breaths, breathe in the stench. Recall how nasty it is.
Remember getting up in the morning and gagging? Coughing up pieces of lung? (yes, I did that before I quit).

Smoking is an addiction, just like heroin. Don't kid yourself that you can have one or two and not get hooked again. Quitting is hard, do you really want to have to go through that again? Just keep reminding yourself.

Make a mantra you can use -
Smoking will kill me, I vow to avoid it's clutches - or some such.

Good luck!

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Post by Tiago Simões » Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:05 pm

justsit wrote:Some people find it helpful to link the urge to smoke with something unpleasant.

Say you want a cigarette? Go lick an ashtray (used, not clean). That will usually kill the urge.

Remember the stinking hair and clothes? Take deep breaths, breathe in the stench. Recall how nasty it is.
Remember getting up in the morning and gagging? Coughing up pieces of lung? (yes, I did that before I quit).

Smoking is an addiction, just like heroin. Don't kid yourself that you can have one or two and not get hooked again. Quitting is hard, do you really want to have to go through that again? Just keep reminding yourself.

Make a mantra you can use -
Smoking will kill me, I vow to avoid it's clutches - or some such.

Good luck!
I think thats really good advice! :thanks:

And thanks to the other advices, but linking the urge to smoke with something unpleasant is the best idea for me.
Then, the Licchavi Vimalakīrti spoke to the elder Śāriputra and the great disciples: “Reverends, eat of the food of the Tathāgata! It is ambrosia perfumed by the great compassion. But do not fix your minds in narrow-minded attitudes, lest you be unable to receive its gift.”

- Chapter 9, The Feast Brought by the Emanated Incarnation
The Noble Mahāyāna Sūtra “The Teaching of Vimalakīrti”

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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:12 pm

tiagolps wrote:
binocular wrote:E.g.: Spend time with people who don't smoke.
That is almost Impossible right now.

Try changing your routine so that it disrupts you from the times you normally smoke, that made a big difference for me when I quit. Don't stand around watching other people smoke and similar..it'll end badly.
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Re: Tobacco

Post by Tiago Simões » Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:32 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
tiagolps wrote:
binocular wrote:E.g.: Spend time with people who don't smoke.
That is almost Impossible right now.

Try changing your routine so that it disrupts you from the times you normally smoke, that made a big difference for me when I quit. Don't stand around watching other people smoke and similar..it'll end badly.
That works in my freetime, the rest not so much :tongue: I'm going for cold water showering for a few weeks.
Then, the Licchavi Vimalakīrti spoke to the elder Śāriputra and the great disciples: “Reverends, eat of the food of the Tathāgata! It is ambrosia perfumed by the great compassion. But do not fix your minds in narrow-minded attitudes, lest you be unable to receive its gift.”

- Chapter 9, The Feast Brought by the Emanated Incarnation
The Noble Mahāyāna Sūtra “The Teaching of Vimalakīrti”

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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:33 pm

tiagolps wrote:
Johnny Dangerous wrote:
tiagolps wrote: That is almost Impossible right now.

Try changing your routine so that it disrupts you from the times you normally smoke, that made a big difference for me when I quit. Don't stand around watching other people smoke and similar..it'll end badly.
That works in my freetime, the rest not so much :tongue: I'm going for cold water showering for a few weeks.

Are you around smokers at work or something? If that's the issue, try to take breaks away from them and find random stuff to do on breaks. Different stuff..one day take a walk here, another day go to a new place, etc. The breaking of the routine is a big deal IME.
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Post by Tiago Simões » Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:40 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:Are you around smokers at work or something? If that's the issue, try to take breaks away from them and find random stuff to do on breaks. Different stuff..one day take a walk here, another day go to a new place, etc. The breaking of the routine is a big deal IME.
Not just at work/class,
tiagolps wrote:Because my gf and her family are all smokers, in my class there are smokers, my good friend neighbour is a smoker "also trying to stop, but failing". Running away from smokers is useless, I would rather an inner practice.
But I get what your saying with breaking routine.
Then, the Licchavi Vimalakīrti spoke to the elder Śāriputra and the great disciples: “Reverends, eat of the food of the Tathāgata! It is ambrosia perfumed by the great compassion. But do not fix your minds in narrow-minded attitudes, lest you be unable to receive its gift.”

- Chapter 9, The Feast Brought by the Emanated Incarnation
The Noble Mahāyāna Sūtra “The Teaching of Vimalakīrti”

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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:06 pm

tiagolps wrote:
Johnny Dangerous wrote:Are you around smokers at work or something? If that's the issue, try to take breaks away from them and find random stuff to do on breaks. Different stuff..one day take a walk here, another day go to a new place, etc. The breaking of the routine is a big deal IME.
Not just at work/class,
tiagolps wrote:Because my gf and her family are all smokers, in my class there are smokers, my good friend neighbour is a smoker "also trying to stop, but failing". Running away from smokers is useless, I would rather an inner practice.
But I get what your saying with breaking routine.
Yeah...don't get caught in their smoking routines if you can avoid it. It isn't about running away from them, just not getting sucked up into their pattern of when to smoke etc. I was in a similar situation when I quit, it was before it became illegal to smoke at workplaces etc. here, and everyone around me was smoking, all the time...and even worse, were always willing to bum me one.
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