Giving Up Masturbation

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Grigoris wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:35 am
diamind wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:45 am Maybe. But according to Buddhism its not.
According to Buddhism the world is flat and supported by turtles. There's a lot of good to be said about Buddhism, but a well developed discriminatory wisdom goes a long way too.
That may be true however desire is poison, no Buddhist is going to argue against that.
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Grigoris wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:35 am
diamind wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:45 am Maybe. But according to Buddhism its not.
According to Buddhism the world is flat and supported by turtles.
Is that true? The turtle part I mean. I don't know why I have it in my mind that it was a joke...
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Pero wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:22 pmIs that true? The turtle part I mean. I don't know why I have it in my mind that it was a joke...
The turtle idea is from Pratchett's Discworld.

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Losal Samten wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:10 pm
Pero wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:22 pmIs that true? The turtle part I mean. I don't know why I have it in my mind that it was a joke...
The turtle idea is from Pratchett's Discworld.

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Ah.. haha. :smile:
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Cutting out foods that are also aphrodisiacs helps. This is especially true if you want to reduce sexually driven dreams that will occur naturally if you give up porn and masturbation. Garlic, onions and excessively spicey food are big culprits here.

Excercise and having something to direct any excess energy too helps- e g - work, creative projects, business, study, physical work etc.

Don't make lucid dreaming sex your goal either. If it happens, then so be it but it's a wasted opportunity to make progress in dream yoga or just cultivating undistracted lucid awareness /mindfulness etc. This is especially so when attchment to pleasure causes the lucidity to fade out.
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Motova wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:46 am
Miroku wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:49 pm Heh thought this was only at TheDaoBums, but it seems to spread. I think nofap and thedaobums are better sites for this question. Otherwise I think it is best to be mindful about your masturbation and the reasons why you do it. If you feel too tired afterwards or do it too often then don't if you don't feel that then do. There are no easy tricks. Listen to your body and be mindful and you will know one way or another. But don't go into that whole nofap craze, not having some "me"time won't make you a better person or turn you into a siddha.
Honestly I feel integrating one's sexuality into one's Dharma practice is probably one of the keys to becoming a siddha.
It might be, but it won't happen by supressing it, which is what I was reffering to. People easily slip into supression or overusage of nice things. And quite honestly the approach I suggested is a form of integration into dharma as it requires you to be aware, which is the basis for all practices. :D

I'd suggest you to read Bruce Newman's book A Beginner's Guide to Tibetan Buddhism there he touches on the topic of sexuality in the chapter devoted to dzogrim. Quite a nice book.
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Give up onions, garlic, scallions, chives, and leeks. I've heard Malcolm say from a Tibetan medicine perspective that the action can be healthy, but there are certain seasons when it should be minimized.
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Motova wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:53 pm Does anyone have any tricks to give up masturbation?

I generally use it to have a nice and easy sleep.

I don't watch porn or look at tits and ass on google.

Thank you.
Just as the pleasure is short lived the desire goes away quickly as the smell of ones flatulence.
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amanitamusc wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:50 am
Motova wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:53 pm Does anyone have any tricks to give up masturbation?

I generally use it to have a nice and easy sleep.

I don't watch porn or look at tits and ass on google.

Thank you.
Just as the pleasure is short lived the desire goes away quickly as the smell of ones flatulence.
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[I moved this beginning discussion from here to this thread, because it fits well here.]
Artziebetter1 wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:43 am I am much more compassionate as cliche as that may sound.I also have more hope for the Future,since I am a purelander and I hope to be free from Samsara soon.I also have more Bodhichitta wich I find hard to cultivate during certain times.

Ive made a resolution to never masturbate or look at pornography again because it is misconduct and can barr you from the pureland.
I also might return to being Vegetarian.

in order to find a good Guru I've also thought about moving to colorado since I heard there are many nyingma lamas who can teach me Dzogchen there.maybe I can do Guru Yoga one day.
I don’t know you and it might be that in your case masturbation and porn might represent obstacles to practice.
But actually there is no set attitude to such activity which is binding on all in Dzogchen.
There are certain things which are proscribed, such as arms dealing for example or working in an abattoir ..but Dzogchen does not share a view of sexuality in common with Judeo/Christianity.
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I stumbled upon this old thread after doing a search on this subject. I asked about it in a thread the other day, but probably no one is seeing it or wants to comment on it.

I am very interested in hearing from some more experienced people than me about this topic.

My basic question is, For a male, is it even healthy to be celibate and not masturbate for years, is that healthy for the prostrate or physical body?
What is healthier for the physical body and prostate, to have orgasm or not. To hold in all that semen, energy, or to release it occasionally? I am only interested in regard to the physical body, i know about the dangers of pornography and sexual images, etc

I am not a Tantric person, so that kind of approach is out or not revelant for me.

If there is any doctors on here or more knowledgeable on the subject, i would love to hear what you have to say. Thanks
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krish5 wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:21 am I stumbled upon this old thread after doing a search on this subject. I asked about it in a thread the other day, but probably no one is seeing it or wants to comment on it.

I am very interested in hearing from some more experienced people than me about this topic.

My basic question is, For a male, is it even healthy to be celibate and not masturbate for years, is that healthy for the prostrate or physical body?
What is healthier for the physical body and prostate, to have orgasm or not. To hold in all that semen, energy, or to release it occasionally? I am only interested in regard to the physical body, i know about the dangers of pornography and sexual images, etc

I am not a Tantric person, so that kind of approach is out or not revelant for me.

If there is any doctors on here or more knowledgeable on the subject, i would love to hear what you have to say. Thanks
From my talks on the topic with people who focus on traditional chinese medicine and such, the answer is often that it is healthy to enjoy oneself in some moderate dosage which depends on age and fitness.

Then there are others who believe in minimalizing the frequency as much as possible.

Western medicine seems to be quite clear that masturbation is healthy.
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For those who do virtuous actions,
goodness is what comes to pass.
For those who do non-virtuous actions,
that becomes suffering indeed.

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diamind wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:25 am
Grigoris wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:35 am
diamind wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:45 am Maybe. But according to Buddhism its not.
According to Buddhism the world is flat and supported by turtles. There's a lot of good to be said about Buddhism, but a well developed discriminatory wisdom goes a long way too.
That may be true however desire is poison, no Buddhist is going to argue against that.
Desire is a fuel of the Vajrayana. Poison is it’s nectar.
I’m afraid “no true Scotsman” arguments won’t cut it.
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Re: How has being a Buddhist changed you?

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[I moved this beginning discussion from here to this thread, because it fits well here.]
Simon E. wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:08 pm
Artziebetter1 wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:43 am I am much more compassionate as cliche as that may sound.I also have more hope for the Future,since I am a purelander and I hope to be free from Samsara soon.I also have more Bodhichitta wich I find hard to cultivate during certain times.

Ive made a resolution to never masturbate or look at pornography again because it is misconduct and can barr you from the pureland.
I also might return to being Vegetarian.

in order to find a good Guru I've also thought about moving to colorado since I heard there are many nyingma lamas who can teach me Dzogchen there.maybe I can do Guru Yoga one day.
I don’t know you and it might be that in your case masturbation and porn might represent obstacles to practice.
But actually there is no set attitude to such activity which is binding on all in Dzogchen.
There are certain things which are proscribed, such as arms dealing for example or working in an abattoir ..but Dzogchen does not share a view of sexuality in common with Judeo/Christianity.
the nyingma and kagyu both outlaw masturbation from what I've read.at the very least its not skillful.and some say it is a breaking of the precepts.of course,you should follow your guru on this.but in general lama tsongkhapa's prohibitions are taken up by the nyingma aswell since its based on Atisha.

sexual misconduct is a divisive issue and I dont want to derail the thread by speaking of it any further.some people also wanrt to badly believe porn and masturbation are good and fine because they dotn want to give up watching it.same for oral,anal and daylight hour sex.
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Könchok Thrinley wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:57 am
krish5 wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:21 am I stumbled upon this old thread after doing a search on this subject. I asked about it in a thread the other day, but probably no one is seeing it or wants to comment on it.

I am very interested in hearing from some more experienced people than me about this topic.

My basic question is, For a male, is it even healthy to be celibate and not masturbate for years, is that healthy for the prostrate or physical body?
What is healthier for the physical body and prostate, to have orgasm or not. To hold in all that semen, energy, or to release it occasionally? I am only interested in regard to the physical body, i know about the dangers of pornography and sexual images, etc

I am not a Tantric person, so that kind of approach is out or not revelant for me.

If there is any doctors on here or more knowledgeable on the subject, i would love to hear what you have to say. Thanks
From my talks on the topic with people who focus on traditional chinese medicine and such, the answer is often that it is healthy to enjoy oneself in some moderate dosage which depends on age and fitness.

Then there are others who believe in minimalizing the frequency as much as possible.

Western medicine seems to be quite clear that masturbation is healthy.
Thank you Konchok. So it seems people lean towards occasional or moderate indulging in this, is probably healthy for the physical body and prostrate.

But there are celibate monks who never indulge, at least during waking hours, sometimes there is nocturnal emissions without conscious control at night it seems, happens.

I was wondering if i take that path of complete celibacy and never have sex or masturbate, what happens to my physical body, i am concerned about the prostrate and wonder how it is for celibate monks who take this path? Anybody know or have experience with this?
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I think you might mean “prostate”.
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If are so concerned about “giving it up” or not,
then the problem you should be focused on
isn’t the activity itself, but rather,
your attachment to the activity as being good or bad.

It’s your mind that’s masturbating to concepts of good and bad. You’re wanking your own ego.

Give that up first, and the rest will resolve itself.

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Simon E. wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:30 pm I think you might mean “prostate”.
Yes, oops, lol. I meant prostate!
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PadmaVonSamba wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:36 pm If are so concerned about “giving it up” or not,
then the problem you should be focused on
isn’t the activity itself, but rather,
your attachment to the activity as being good or bad.

It’s your mind that’s masturbating to concepts of good and bad. You’re wanking your own ego.

Give that up first, and the rest will resolve itself.

...
Yes, agreed, and nicely stated. But my issue is not the mind, it is only the concern for the physical body. I am clear on sex, masturbation, etc i have no problems with it, i dont see it as bad, etc. I just want to make sure if i choose the celibate path, which btw, i have done now for 3 months, no masturbation, no sexual images/pornography, etc i just want to make sure i dont have any problems with my prostate later on, etc. So just physically, biologically, i am looking for answers. As some post, many western doctors i believe think that occasional masturbation is healthy for the body. I dont know if this is true or not. If i knew for sure that complete celibacy was just as healthy, or even more healthy for the physical body, i would lean towards that path. If it helps to do the occasional masturbation for health reasons, i probably will do so.
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