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Human pig chimera

Post by Queequeg » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:03 am

As a buddhist, what do you think of this development?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017 ... h-science/

I don't know about being Buddhist, but it viscerally creeps me out. I also don't presently need a new organ.
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Re: Human pig chimera

Post by Boomerang » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:22 am

Killing animals is bad karma. Presuming these chimeras are meant to be used as spare parts, killing must be involved. As for the creepiness factor, I'm not so perturbed. What happens to animals in factory farms is far more gruesome.
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Re: Human pig chimera

Post by steveb1 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:50 am

"Does a Chimera have Buddha Nature?"

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Post by Queequeg » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:09 am

Boomerang wrote:As for the creepiness factor, I'm not so perturbed. What happens to animals in factory farms is far more gruesome.
Good point.
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Re: Human pig chimera

Post by anjali » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:25 am

I remember hearing a few years back that the 20th century was the century of physics, whereas the 21st century is going to be the century of biology. Every indication to date is that this prediction is going to pan out.

I teach an intro to computers class where I spend a session talking about advances and trends in computing. One trend is to treat genetic code as a kind of computer code that can be manipulated just like any computer code. Here is a brief video I show my students.

Synthetic biology and genetic engineering are quickly maturing fields. Actual engineered chimeras are demonstrations of the thinking that snippets of DNA computer code from one organism (computer program) can be reused in other organisms (computer programs).

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Post by Mkoll » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:35 am

Animal-human hybrids, world domination, discrimination, the fight for rights, dystopian themes. Would make a good sci fi movie. Or an interesting potential future. More and more unrealistic possibilities are becoming realistically possible.

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Re: Human pig chimera

Post by Queequeg » Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:03 am

steveb1 wrote:"Does a Chimera have Buddha Nature?"
Of course.

And in the sense that karma leads to birth, the beings so created have caused these circumstances.

I suppose then it's just a matter of getting used to the birth possibilities.

I don't know. That seems too passive.
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Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

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Post by Wayfarer » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:30 am

Enormously creepy.

I have heard it said (although it might be apocryphal) that someone asked Craig Venter (a famous biologist who decoded DNA and wants to synthesise life) if he wasn't worried about 'playing God'. 'I'm not playing', he was said to have replied.

Here's an interesting journal article on the philosophy and ethics of artificially-created life forms ‘Are You Playing God?’: Synthetic Biology and the Chemical Ambition to Create Artificial Life.'
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Post by anjali » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:56 am

Wayfarer wrote:...Here's an interesting journal article on the philosophy and ethics of artificially-created life forms ‘Are You Playing God?’: Synthetic Biology and the Chemical Ambition to Create Artificial Life.'
Something that not many people are aware is (was?) the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency's (DARPA) project to determine the minimum genome for cellular life (which could eventually be synthesized). I have no idea what the status of the project is today, but here is a quarterly report by Venter's company from a few years ago, going into a fair amount of detail on how they were gradually pruning the genome of a cell to reach a minimal count. Here is the abstract, giving some flavor of the nature of the research,
We are working towards the goal of creating a bacterium that contains only the set of genes that are essential for life. Toward that end, we
have continued to delete genes and gene clusters from the starting genome (M. mycoides JCVI-syn1.0). To date, the smallest viable genome is 779 kbp, representing a ~30% reduction. The transplanted cells were later found to grow slowly compared to wild type, after being transferred from solid media to liquid. We have made several additional single gene deletions to this genome, but we have begun to explore adding genes back into the 779 kbp genome in order to restore growth rates.

We have also made progress on the design and synthesis of a minimal genome (483 kbp). Transplantation experiments using the previously reported 1/8th minimized genome molecules are complete. One of the 1/8th molecules proved to be viable. A more conservative design of a minimal genome (623kbp) has been completed, and synthesis is underway.
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Post by Wayfarer » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:06 am

I think Mary Shelley's 'Frankenstein' was enormously prescient. But then you've got to balance that against the many people who have been saved by heart transplants, genetic therapies and so on. I suppose it's a double-edged sword, like all knowledge.
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Post by Grigoris » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:05 pm

The follies of pride...
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Post by DGA » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:33 pm

Queequeg wrote:As a buddhist, what do you think of this development?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017 ... h-science/

I don't know about being Buddhist, but it viscerally creeps me out. I also don't presently need a new organ.
I think I'm going to start drinking early today.

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Post by Grigoris » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:59 pm

For me, the stuff they are doing with the bacteria is a hell of a lot more frightening than growing organs with stem cells. Infinitely more stupid and dangerous.
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Re: Human pig chimera

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:02 am

it's another abuse over animals...
what are you doing

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