Schizophrenia and parenthood

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Re: Schizophrenia and parenthood

Post by Ayu » Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:50 pm

WuMing wrote:...

Do you see the difference?
Yes, no problem. We made just different emphases but I see no contradiction between our viewpoints. I agree to your message.
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Re: Schizophrenia and parenthood

Post by tellyontellyon » Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:11 pm

The way we think about, treat and talk about schizophrenia may play a major part in the suffering that comes with a diagnosis of 'schizophrenia'. I don't think it is helpful to sufferers living right now to send out the message that it would have been better if they had never been born.
There is much more evidence now that shows that schizophrenia is not some sort of incurable genetic brain disease, but is much more complex and greatly affected by childhood trauma.

This talk by the psychologist and researcher Eleanor Longden gives a far more hopeful point of view.
https://youtu.be/syjEN3peCJw
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Re: Schizophrenia and parenthood

Post by seeker242 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:51 am

colibri wrote:
Mon May 29, 2017 5:36 pm
Hello,

I wanted to ask you whether there are any teachings of the Buddha that are applicable
Some here regarding sickness.
7. "Here, student, some woman or man is one who harms beings with his hands or with clods or with sticks or with knives. Due to having performed and completed such kammas, on the dissolution of the body, after death, he reappears in a state of deprivation... If instead he comes to the human state, he is sickly wherever he is reborn. This is the way that leads to sickness, that is to say, to be one who harms beings with one's hands or with clods or with sticks or with knives.

8. "But here some woman or man is not one who harms beings with his hands, or with clods, or with sticks, or with knives. Due to having performed and completed such kammas, on the dissolution of the body, after death, he reappears in a happy destination... If instead he comes to the human state, he is healthy wherever he is reborn. This is the way that leads to health, that is to say, not to be one who harms beings with his hands or with clods or with sticks or with knives.

Cula-kammavibhanga Sutta: The Shorter Exposition of Kamma
One should not kill any living being, nor cause it to be killed, nor should one incite any other to kill. Do never injure any being, whether strong or weak, in this entire universe!

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Re: Schizophrenia and parenthood

Post by Invokingvajras » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:07 am

Mental illness in general is a really tricky topic as it relates to practice.

How would a contemporary psychologist, assuming they were 100% honest in their field, diagnose an enlightened being? Or someone who's even attained stream-entry or any of the bhumi? Or someone had simply witnessed the activity of a ghost or a deva? Would explicitly stating your faith tradition play a part in the diagnosis?

It would seem difficult to engage in a frank dialogue about these sorts of religious experiences. Culture has also shaped the conversation a great deal. The insights of those honored as shamans, contemplatives, and holy men in one place may be regarded as lunacy elsewhere.

I'd imagine a Buddha could be consistent and insightful enough to be convincing. As for those with lesser grades of awakening, I'm not so sure.
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Re: Schizophrenia and parenthood

Post by Jesse » Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:22 am

Invokingvajras wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:07 am
Mental illness in general is a really tricky topic as it relates to practice.

How would a contemporary psychologist, assuming they were 100% honest in their field, diagnose an enlightened being? Or someone who's even attained stream-entry or any of the bhumi? Or someone had simply witnessed the activity of a ghost or a deva? Would explicitly stating your faith tradition play a part in the diagnosis?

It would seem difficult to engage in a frank dialogue about these sorts of religious experiences. Culture has also shaped the conversation a great deal. The insights of those honored as shamans, contemplatives, and holy men in one place may be regarded as lunacy elsewhere.

I'd imagine a Buddha could be consistent and insightful enough to be convincing. As for those with lesser grades of awakening, I'm not so sure.
Any Psych Related Doctor (Psychiatrist/Clinical Psychologist) would take the persons faith, and religious beliefs into account. It's still not an easy task. Psychosis and other mental issues can become intertwined with mental illness, it's can become an almost impossible task to then try to separate them.

In fact, I've never met a doctor good enough to treat someone in this particular situation. (treat them well, anyway).

Many religious/spiritual practices can most certainly exacerbate mental illnesses, especially psychosis. While other practices can help to treat these illnesses or their symptoms.

Especially newer practitioners who have begun to seriously practice Buddhism, and Meditation. There are many experiences one can have, that when grasped on to, and/or obsessed over; can very much cause, worsen, or reinforce psychotic beliefs/tendencies and thinking.

The absolute most useful tools in Buddhism are detachment/mindfulness, and relaxation -- for people with mental health issues that is. I'm sure everyone has been instructed at one point or another not to hang on, or grasp onto spiritual experiences we have had. This is a very important lesson everyone should learn, and it should be learned/taught as early as possible.

I think it's important for all Buddhist practice but especially important for more esoteric forms of Buddhism. (Vajrayana, etc.)
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Re: Schizophrenia and parenthood

Post by Jesse » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:11 am

Jesse wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:22 am
Psychosis and other mental issues can become intertwined with mental illness, it's can become an almost impossible task to then try to separate them.
Sorry, Just now caught this.

Should have read: Psychosis and other mental health issues can become intertwined with peoples religious beliefs/spirituality.
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