It might not have been you but for sure it was sourced from some sutra.
Sexuality, Marriage, Promiscuity and the Dharma
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Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
- Shabkar
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And this is the reason why I use "Modern Buddhism" = Nichiren & Lotus Buddhism and other late "Buddhadharma" inventions in the context of SMP and the Dharma.The Cicada wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:33 pmThis is actually standard Nichiren Buddhism and Lotus Buddhism generally which, though exclusivist in its claim on truth, (one must accept the Lotus Sutra, or its fundamental message, in order to awaken,) is catholic in its breadth. So, for this reason, I can accept that even though someone may be completely wrong, they are so wrong that they cannot help but be right on occasion, which is in line with the Buddha's intention as He dwells eternally on Holy Eagle Peak.
No wonder the schism in the early Sangha I.E. the 24 school period happened...........Each group wanted to hear what THEY wanted to promulgate.
Much like the Left & Right in politricks today.
Stefos
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Oh I wasn't giving you Lotus Buddhism there, and as DGA has already mentioned, the gist of the Lotus Sutra is present throughout the Buddhist canon. No, look to the Pali canon for your answers on this particular subject. It's considered to be the most accurate by scholars.Stefos wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:57 pm And this is the reason why I use "Modern Buddhism" = Nichiren & Lotus Buddhism and other late "Buddhadharma" inventions in the context of SMP and the Dharma.
No wonder the schism in the early Sangha I.E. the 24 school period happened...........Each group wanted to hear what THEY wanted to promulgate.
Much like the Left & Right in politricks today.
Stefos
That's where I got the 5 prostitutes a day, where legal, rule from.
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Whoever presented this opinion presented it from Berzin's website:
https://studybuddhism.com/en/tibetan-bu ... ostitutionConsider, for example, the discussion about having sex with a prostitute. In both the Indian and the Tibetan texts, having sex with a prostitute is perfectly okay, even for a married man, so long as the man pays for the prostitute.
This what you said:
But we can see from the passage that I cited above it is not the case that visiting prostitutes was considered acceptable conduct for a householder bodhisattva.I thought Buddha said it was ok to go to prostitutes as long as one pays for them himself.
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Hmm I guess it could be so, it was a long time ago. Or perhaps it was Pali.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:08 pmWhoever presented this opinion presented it from Berzin's website:
https://studybuddhism.com/en/tibetan-bu ... ostitutionConsider, for example, the discussion about having sex with a prostitute. In both the Indian and the Tibetan texts, having sex with a prostitute is perfectly okay, even for a married man, so long as the man pays for the prostitute.
This what you said:
But we can see from the passage that I cited above it is not the case that visiting prostitutes was considered acceptable conduct for a householder bodhisattva.I thought Buddha said it was ok to go to prostitutes as long as one pays for them himself.
Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
- Shabkar
- Shabkar
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Specific source please.The Cicada wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:02 pm
That's where I got the 5 prostitutes a day, where legal, rule from.
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It might be Nichiren Buddhism, but its not "Lotus Buddhism", "Lotus Buddhism" referring to the Tiāntāi school and what it shares with its offshoot traditions. Nichiren Buddhism alone is not "the Lotus tradition".The Cicada wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:33 pmThis is actually standard Nichiren Buddhism and Lotus Buddhism
Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
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It's funny: I'd never given this much thought before, but I think you are correct that this is a useful distinction.Coëmgenu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:15 pmIt might be Nichiren Buddhism, but its not "Lotus Buddhism", "Lotus Buddhism" referring to the Tiāntāi school and what it shares with its offshoot traditions. Nichiren Buddhism alone is not "the Lotus tradition".The Cicada wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:33 pmThis is actually standard Nichiren Buddhism and Lotus Buddhism
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Sure, but of course Pure Land Buddhism is more like Abrahamic traditions in many respects than Buddhism as clarified by Nichiren, though Pure Landers may be more tolerant than we are if lacking our sense of urgency. This sense of urgency seems to remind some individuals of the Abrahamic religions, but this is due to their own hang ups.
It's not a subject that I deal with often, except in these conversations with you and the others, so I'll have to dig up the reference with the exact number. In the meantime, anyone interested, or who would like to search with me, can refer to this thread at Dhammawheel.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:54 pmSpecific source please.The Cicada wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:02 pm
That's where I got the 5 prostitutes a day, where legal, rule from.
It's the least I can do to curtail the rampant whorephobia so prevalent here.
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I don't know about the 5 prostitutes per day thing but having sex with a hooker if you are single does not break the sexual misconduct precept according to Bhikku Dhammanando on dhammawheel. Why do the rules for this change in Mahayana?Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:54 pmSpecific source please.The Cicada wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:02 pm
That's where I got the 5 prostitutes a day, where legal, rule from.
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Dhammanando:
https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=23652There is no kind of sex that is entirely free of unskill, for all sex involves lust and reinforces the tendency to lust. Observance of the third precept sets a limit on the degree of unskill. By observing it one ensures that one’s sex life is not disruptive of family life (one’s own or others’) or social harmony.
As for prostitution, I really don’t understand why so many western Buddhists have this idée fixe about there being something inordinately evil in a man’s paying a woman to have sex with him. Ceteris paribus, having sex with a prostitute is no more unskilful than having sex with one’s wife. In fact in some respects it might even be less unskilful. For example there’s far less deceit and hypocrisy involved in it. Unlike sex with one’s wife, after sex with a prostitute a man can just get up, take a shower and then go read a book or meditate or something. He doesn’t have to waste an hour lying in bed reluctantly feigning post-coital affection.
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I read something once that a bodhisattva can have sex with a hooker if it benefits her in some way. Maybe you know the sutra for this.
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There are lots of Zen stories concerning this.
But it's basically a no go zone in any other tradition of Buddhism.
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A bodhisattva can do anything if it helps anyone.
A bodhisattva is not motivated by selfish desires.
A bodhisattva is not motivated by selfish desires.
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Vaajrayana is almost as sexually conservative as traditional Chinese Buddhism is. However this is also because teachings about sexual matters are usually considered from the monastic POV.liuzg150181 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:08 amVajrayana?
In Tibetan Buddhism there are sometimes other references though (Drukpa Kunley for example [recently dismissed on this site as a folktale]; the legends of the amourous life of the Sixth Dalai Lama and occassionally some other references). Sometimes sexual interplay has wider significance than just usual selfish satisfaction (for example, in "Lord of the Dance" the implication that a wandering lama was Chagdud Tulku's father) although this is only ever considered from a "traditional" heterosexual POV.
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“Where do atomic bombs come from?”
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche