Jobs that serve alcohol?

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Arupajhana7
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Jobs that serve alcohol?

Post by Arupajhana7 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:24 pm

Hello,

I recently moved into an appartment that has high rent expenses. I have one job delivering pizza that shouldn't be problematic in terms of ethics but it is not enough to pay my rent plus groceries and utilities. I am looking into restaurant and catering food service jobs for part time work that pays well and should make my financial life more stable.
The ethical concern is that these well paying part time jobs would all include serving people alcohol along with food. What do people think about the ethics in this?

In the long term I am trying to go back to school so that I could become a mental health counselor in a high school, which would be much more in line with Buddhist ethics. The apartment I live in is close to the school I intend to go to and it is one of the less expensive apartments in the area despite it being expensive to me due to my income.

I myself do drink alcohol on occasion. Sometimes I go a period of time taking the 5 lay persons precepts in the mornings and on those days I will not drink any alcohol. Sometimes, if I am going to a family event where it might be rude or awkward to refuse wine, I will skip the alcohol precept on that day. But for the most part it would mean going a month or so of strictly following all 5 precepts. I am comfortable in using this as my own personal practice but I have more concerns about serving alcohol to others. It is possible, for example, that at one of these jobs I may be serving alcohol to people who are alcoholic or struggling with addiction. I don't want to enable that kind of suffering in people's lives.

On the other hand, if I don't take one of these part time jobs, I might not be able to meet the demands of my bills and the consequences of that would be very severe for me.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Jobs that serve alcohol?

Post by Aryjna » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:21 pm

Working in a restaurant also involves a relationship with the meat industry, especially in the case of restaurant chains that have a direct relationship to slaughterhouses. Then again, I do not thing it is wrong to work there in the capacity of a waiter or something similar, not more wrong that most other jobs at least. It is probably mostly a matter of personal outlook and motivation.

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Re: Jobs that serve alcohol?

Post by Arupajhana7 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:39 pm

Aryjna wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:21 pm
Working in a restaurant also involves a relationship with the meat industry, especially in the case of restaurant chains that have a direct relationship to slaughterhouses. Then again, I do not thing it is wrong to work there in the capacity of a waiter or something similar, not more wrong that most other jobs at least. It is probably mostly a matter of personal outlook and motivation.
This is a good point.
Do catering companies have a less direct relationship with the meat industry than restaurants do?

There are a couple of vegetarian restaurants in the area, I will look into some of those but there are less of those than there are other restaurants so the probability of getting a job with one of them is lower.

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Re: Jobs that serve alcohol?

Post by Aryjna » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:23 pm

Arupajhana7 wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:39 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:21 pm
Working in a restaurant also involves a relationship with the meat industry, especially in the case of restaurant chains that have a direct relationship to slaughterhouses. Then again, I do not thing it is wrong to work there in the capacity of a waiter or something similar, not more wrong that most other jobs at least. It is probably mostly a matter of personal outlook and motivation.
This is a good point.
Do catering companies have a less direct relationship with the meat industry than restaurants do?

There are a couple of vegetarian restaurants in the area, I will look into some of those but there are less of those than there are other restaurants so the probability of getting a job with one of them is lower.
I don't know, it depends on the place I suppose. Some places just order from markets while others may have an agreement with a slaughterhouse. But I doubt that it really qualifies as a job contrary to the dharma to work in a place like that for some time.

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Re: Jobs that serve alcohol?

Post by PadmaVonSamba » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:56 pm

The precept against becoming intoxicated only applies to those who become intoxicated.
Its purpose is to prevent lapses in the practice habits and concentration of the meditator.

Ethical purity is also an ego trip.
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Re: Jobs that serve alcohol?

Post by humble.student » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:15 pm

From the Bodhisattva Precepts (Brahma Net Sutra):
The Ten Major Precepts

5. Selling Alcohol
“Buddha-Sons, one should not sell alcohol or incite others to sell alcohol, through any causes, conditions, methods, or karmas. One should not sell any kind of alcohol because it can cause one to commit sins.
“A Bodhisattva should bring clear wisdom out of sentient beings. If he instead causes them to muddle their minds, it is a parājika sin.
The Forty-eight Minor Precepts

2. Drinking Alcohol
“Buddha-Sons, one should not purposely drink alcohol, which causes innumerable faults. If one hands out vessels for alcohol to drinkers, one will not have hands for five hundred lives; much more severe will be the consequences of one’s own drinking. One should not incite sentient beings, including humans, to drink alcohol. If a Bodhisattva drinks or incites others to drink alcohol, it is a minor sin.
http://www.sutrasmantras.info/sutra32.html

Not to be pedantic, but with regards the first instance, selling alcohol, one would need to clearly define 'sell' in order for this transgression to take place. i.e. does a lowly bartender actually 'sell' the alcohol, or is it the owner of the establishment in question?

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Re: Jobs that serve alcohol?

Post by seeker242 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:55 pm

Arupajhana7 wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:24 pm
The ethical concern is that these well paying part time jobs would all include serving people alcohol along with food. What do people think about the ethics in this?
That it's a non-issue, just as long as you are not actively pushing it, making sales pitches for it, etc. For example, if you try and convince someone to purchase vodka, instead of iced tea, because vodka cost more and you will get a bigger tip if they spend more, I would see an issue with that. However, if someone says "I want vodka" and you say "ok" and bring them some, I don't see an issue.
One should not kill any living being, nor cause it to be killed, nor should one incite any other to kill. Do never injure any being, whether strong or weak, in this entire universe!

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