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Re: is a home made statue acceptable?

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:39 pm
by Grigoris
Ayu wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 12:15 pm
I fail to understand the intention of this teaching that forbids making statues.
So that professional statue makers do not go out of business? :tongue:

Re: is a home made statue acceptable?

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:20 pm
by Alex1976
Alex1976 wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:46 pm
The question is about kwan yin, so I believe it is rather about Chinese or Vietnamese tradition than Tibetan. The proportions aren't so important in these traditions.
Actually, as I've heard in China and Viet there is a kinda ritual similar with Tibetan "rabne" (invitation of God inside the statue). The ritual runs, after that the God comes inside, and statues is getting sealed by varnish. From this only moment the statue is considered as a sacred object.

It would be great to read more about classification of the deities of Far Eastern tradition, similar with Terentiev's "Identification Guide". Let me know if there is any.

Re: is a home made statue acceptable?

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:03 pm
by Sentient Light
Alex1976 wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:20 pm
Alex1976 wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:46 pm
The question is about kwan yin, so I believe it is rather about Chinese or Vietnamese tradition than Tibetan. The proportions aren't so important in these traditions.
Actually, as I've heard in China and Viet there is a kinda ritual similar with Tibetan "rabne" (invitation of God inside the statue). The ritual runs, after that the God comes inside, and statues is getting sealed by varnish. From this only moment the statue is considered as a sacred object.

It would be great to read more about classification of the deities of Far Eastern tradition, similar with Terentiev's "Identification Guide". Let me know if there is any.
I can confirm we do this in the Vietnamese tradition. The statuaries literally represent the Dharmakaya, the awakening of the Buddhas, and has his perfections transferred in. I wouldn't bother to make my own statue without knowing how to perform this ritual.

Re: is a home made statue acceptable?

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:49 pm
by passel
"It is very demeritorious to make images of the Buddha, etc., that do not correspond to the proper proportions."

Bullshit.

Re: is a home made statue acceptable?

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:20 pm
by passel
Look a whole grotto of Kuan yins, maybe some Jizos to boot:

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Re: is a home made statue acceptable?

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:34 pm
by passel
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Re: is a home made statue acceptable?

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:16 pm
by Ayu
Alex1976 wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:46 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Mon May 28, 2018 5:10 pm
It is very demeritorious to make images of the Buddha, etc., that do not correspond to the proper proportions.
The question is about kwan yin, so I believe it is rather about Chinese or Vietnamese tradition than Tibetan. The proportions aren't so important in these traditions.
I think, he just wanted to make his point VERY clear to me as a person who fails to understand his points often.

I heard about these proportion rules in Tibetan buddhism, but I never heard that it is demetrious to make a statue for your own home and not for selling.
My Tibetan teacher did not tell so.

Re: is a home made statue acceptable?

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:22 pm
by Ayu
Grigoris wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:39 pm
Ayu wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 12:15 pm
I fail to understand the intention of this teaching that forbids making statues.
So that professional statue makers do not go out of business? :tongue:
This is a valid objection. ;)

Re: is a home made statue acceptable?

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:50 am
by Fortyeightvows
liuzg150181 wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 8:42 am
The sutra I had in mind mentioned the protocols as to how to make buddha statues.
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Alex1976 wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:20 pm
Actually, as I've heard in China and Viet there is a kinda ritual similar with Tibetan "rabne" (invitation of God inside the statue). The ritual runs, after that the God comes inside, and statues is getting sealed by varnish. From this only moment the statue is considered as a sacred object.
See my earlier post in this thread about. It usually involves dotting the eyes. this is why you will see statues blindfolded.